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"Twayne" wrote:
You are under a serious misconception. The NEC et al, is a
set of nationwide MINIMAL requirements

Wrong. The Code describes itself as "contain[ing]
provisions that are
considered necessary for electrical safety." Nowhere does
it describe itself
as a set of minimum standards. Further, the Code
specifically authorizes local
jurisdictions to waive provisions of the Code.

Of course not!, AFAIK, and it should not anyway since NEC is NOT the body
responsible for deciding what is a set of minimal requirements and what is
not. It is, however the MINIMAL requirements for the US fire and personal
safety protection requirements. It may specify say 8 conductors in a certain
box: no more than 8 in a box can be used and still pass the electrical
code. It is not possible for another body to step in and say BS, I'll allow
10, or 12, or 21! It can spec a minimal distance between objects, but as
before that distance can NOT be made less but it CAN be more!
You need to get a grip and actually think about what you're on about
before spewing misinformation to the world, in particular the type that
indicates a final word on a location's requirements can be gotten from this
newsgroup and be as good or better than going to the local controlling
authority.

What you are trying to say, and failing to do, and only bringing up
confusion for most who are not familiar wth these areas, is that the NEC
comes from a SMALL part of the NFPA - 70 I think? Not sure but if YOU don't
know, it wouldn't surprise me in the least.
The NEC is a set of "regulations" for protection of personnel and
property safety in electrical installations. Except for heavily more
stringent regulations, NOT weaker. Fiber-optics is one such area, but
nit-picking of that kind only serves to dillute the credibility of your own
input.
The NFPA "adopted" NEC and approved by ANSI. I almost defy you to cite
ANY local which has less stringent rules than the NEC unless the artcles
concern something that is Not Applicable to the region. You will find that
even such a case, should it exist, is NOT the end of the line and WILL have
been approved, usually by ANSI. I don't mention the other 3 because I don't
want to do your homework for you.






based on the criteria of many different organizations
all pulled together into NEC (NFPA, etc.).

Wrong. The Code is the product of *one* organization, the
NFPA.

Urban Renewals has this short, concise definition:
The accepted standard for installation of wiring and associated devices. It
is written by a panel of experts and printed by the National Fire Prevention
Association. Top of Page [Top]


Oh, then how come the NEC calls FOR the NFPA in many sections if IT IS the
NFPA sourced it? It's not uncommon at all to see things like:
"
NEC REQUIREMENT
? Either of the following listing
requirements**
A. Underwriters Laboratories
B. FM Global

* Refer to NFPA 220 for definition of non-combustible Type I and II building
construction.
** Fine Print Note, Section 450.23, (B)(1) states: "Installations adjacent
to combustible material, fire escapes, or door and window openings may
require additional safeguards such as those listed in Section 450.27. It
says to go to the NFPA for DEFINITIONS, not for rules. The NEC contains the
rules.
"

The NEC is NOT the NFPA! Two different offices, two different functions in
the overall scheme of things.
Also:
NEC REQUIREMENT
? Either of the following listing
requirements**
A. Underwriters Laboratories
B. FM Global
"
Why are those NEC requirements and not NFPA if you actually know what you're
talking about.
And then:
"
NEC OPTIONS*
? Both liquid confinement, and either
of the following listing requirements
A. Underwriters Laboratories
B. FM Global
or
? Both liquid confinement and auto
extinguishment
or
? Vault per NEC 450, Part III
* No additional safeguards are required if one or more of Exceptions 1-6 of
Section 450.26, Oil-Insulated Transformers Installed Indoors apply.
"


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MINIMUM is the operative word
there. Many zoning areas management choose to strengthen
some parts of it as they see fit for the demographics of
any geographical area they serve. They use the NEC as the
basiis for their requirements and adjust it as they
require for their own specifc needs. The NEC requirements
can only be strengthened, never loosened, by local
jurisdiction.

Wrong; as noted above, local jurisdictions are explicitly
permitted under the
Code to waive portions of it if they choose. Further, the
Code itself has no
legal force unless adopted as law by a particular
jurisdiction -- and nothing
at all prevents a jurisdiction from adopting only part of
the Code as law,
should they choose to do so.

The above is so far off base as to make me wonder whether you anything but a
passing familiarity with NEC, NFPA/NEC, ANSI, UL and the other associated
bodies. You CAN build anything you want to, but trying to sell or
installing it, besides negating insurances, is definitely a legal
requirement of any jurisdictional body.
A good example of not having NEC labelling can be found in California:
Without the LosAngeles "Orange" sticker for instance, you aren't going to
sell anything legally. And guess what that entails? Yup; NEC or UL or one of
several other MOU's they carry/allow. But not a single one of them is going
to be less stringent than the NEC Is. NYS is another one, Chicago was going
to something like the "sticker" thing, but I don't know if they have done
so.

So let's get real and talk about the subjects the OP's ASK about, not hair
splitting and silliness such as has gone on thru these last couple days. If
I've bruised your precious ego, that's your problem not mine.

HTH,

Twayne`
HTH

It would help a lot more if it were true. Perhaps you
should stick to giving
advice on topics you actually know something about, if
there are any. This
isn't one of them.