Bought the 1677EXT1 and love it. I was able to get free shipping due to
order size from my local retailer here in SoCal. Out the door price was
1313.81 off of the "A" column including tax. If the order size is 5k then
your dealer can move into the "B" column for bigger savings so I was told. I
found places online with better pricing and free shipping on the Shop Fox
but wanted local support. You also might want too have your dealer combine
some orders to get the free shipping (cant remember the price break point on
the shipping). Hope this helps.

Bofus

"Brian" wrote in message
...
OK I know this has been discussed before, but I'm wondering if there is
any
new information out there as I've had it with my old saw and am ready to
move up.. From what I can google on the subject, Shop Fox is the retail
name for Grizzly and the machines themselves are identical. However, in
talking with the guys at www.utterguys.com (who sell Shop Fox), there are
supposedly non-trivial differences....

The two saws in question are these: Grizzly 1023SL
(http://www.grizzly.com/products/item...number=G1023SL) and Shop Fox
W1677

(http://www.utterguys.com/cgi-bin/web...form&_layout=t
ool&keyval=tool.ID%3D29427).

The prices are the same until you consider shipping (to California) of $55
vs. $255. So a $200 premium all said and done for the Shop Fox. Yes, I
even contacted West Coast Shop Fox dealers and could not find a better
freight rate.

Now the Utter Guys say that the ShopFox unit weighs nearly 500 pounds,
while
the Grizzly is under 400 (*shipping* weight of 467). They account for the
weight differences in heavier duty hand wheels and heavier duty trunions,
which would have to be close to 100 pounds. The cast iron table and
extensions are identical in size and weight.

The problem I have with these claims is this.... I've seen the Grizzly
trunions and there is nothing hollow or lightweight about them, and I
frankly don't see the room in there for anything significantly beefier.
So
how can you get to 100 pounds via larger hand wheels and trunions? Is
this
a case of deceptive advertising (i.e. the "nearly 500 pounds" claim
actually
referring to shipping weight?)? Thoughts?

Would love to hear input before making the purchase. I might consider
spending an extra $200 if the trunions are indeed vastly stronger and
heavier. Anyone with the W1677 actualy *know* the real machine weight?

Thanks.

Brian.