On Wed, 09 Jun 2010 11:22:15 -0500, Sunworshipper wrote:

On Tue, 8 Jun 2010 23:29:26 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
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"Sunworshipper" wrote in message
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On Tue, 8 Jun 2010 18:07:19 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
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"Sunworshipper" wrote in message
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On Mon, 07 Jun 2010 22:55:12 -0700, Gunner Asch
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On Mon, 7 Jun 2010 21:50:11 -0700, "Bill Noble"
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"cavelamb" wrote in message
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Sunworshipper wrote:

Doesn't it say up front in the constitution that the boarders must
be
secure? Or when the pres. accepts the job? I say it is dereliction
of
duty, congress, jud, & EX. ! Punishable to stripped of all wealth
documents and whatever then sent to ahhh Mexico City.

SW

P. S. Good luck with that. Better yet China LOL


That's actually a small point in international law.
A nation that can not secure its borders cannot maintain its
sovereignty.

Ask Cambodia - back in the 1970's.



the question is not securing the borders, the question is, are you
willing
to pay for it. securing the land border is trivial - just place
machine
gun
nests along the border and offer a bounty of 1000 for every kill - and
pay
some reasonable wage. But the problem is that the people who want
secure
borders the most are the ones that whine about high taxes when we are
really
a very low tax nation, and I am not sure I want to live in a country
that
uses force that way - but it will work - East Germany used that method
quite
effectively.

In some states, regular public executions remind people what is
forbidden -
we could adopt that practice - but do we want to? What is the price we
are
willing to pay? Think this through before you make policy decisions of
this
type.


We could simply pay a bounty on the dead, and once a day, have score
keepers wander the killing zone on the border tallying up the body
counts.

It would be a win win situation and far far cheaper than having the
government actually get off its fat, bloated, dead Leftwing ass and
actually do something about it.

Gunner

One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that,
in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers
and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are
not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid.
Gunner Asch

I seem to have pegged you more tolerant. Or are they really taking
over now? I really don't want to get into it, but it always seemed to
push me over the edge when the contractors' board had a hard on for me
and the illegal mexicans where taking over. You know, everyone would
look the other way every time they made a move, but they would attack
me for not having a sign on my truck. It was like being beat down so
there is more room for them.

One time back in 1980 I was living maybe 17 miles from the border and
some friends of a friend where over at my condo and they invited me to
snipe wet backs, as they where earning their nick names, for fun. I
declined, but got this distinct feeling they were serious.

I don't mind mexicans, I've lived half my life with them. It's just
that they doubled or tripled in size from just walking across and
everyone is afraid of being politically incorrect to do something
about it and then they turned smug about it. I find it hard to believe
that we will lose any rights (as if we have anymore) by having a cop
ask for ID. I've always had to prove who I was to get a drivers
liecence , or at random by many people (like banks) and I know from
moving from state to state many times. The last time my old birth
certificate was deemed real and was no good, had to have an electronic
one from the state where I was born. So, where do some states get off
by granting fake ID's? Sounds criminal to me.

They don't. Where did you hear this?


Your joking right?

No, I'm serious.

How do they confirm who the person is without a US
birth certificate or pass port? From some birth certificate from
Guatemala? Am I missing something ? I've seen the ID's and Driver
Licences from people I know for a fact shouldn't be here.

The IDs and driver's licenses that only identify a person, but don't address
their citizenship, are quite common. Any worthwhile cop will know which ones
signify citizenship and which ones don't. The Arizona law even identifies
which states' licenses are acceptable as certification of citizenship.

The others aren't "fake."

I'm no attorney and never really thought about it much before, cause I
never did get to the understanding of what the big deal was about
being asked to identify oneself. It happens so often that I would
think citizenship would be inclusive.

I would think if these non-citizenship ID's or DL's where used in
another state or entering a federal building they would be deemed
"fake" and thus worthless for identification. Every state that I've
got a DL would not accept the other's as "real", even though one had
to show just about everything under the sun to get the old one. I've
never tried getting a DL with fake papers.

I find it hard to believe with the tons and tons of law books that one
can just land in the US and not get thrown in jail for not identifying
yourself sooner or later. Oh, he's ok he doesn't have anything, but
this fake DL that some state swallowed some crap information.

Can you explain what it is about civil rights in the US? What are you
suppose to do when being profiled, targeted, traveling, banking, being
asked by the park ranger, airport, court houses, ect. ? Jump up and
down saying that your civil rights are being violated and your not
gonna show them ID? If true , boy we're wide open for this new
warfare.

SW

Part of the problem..and we have seen this in banks..is that many places
are not able to speak spanish...and as such...would rather just push the
individual through the system rather than not take their money and be
embarassed.

Many times a latino can simply dummy down, speak nothing but spanish and
look bewildered, and get away with all manner of things that we English
speakers have to show a ****load of ID for.

Ive a buddy, who is 4th Generation American, 25 yr Army vet...who looks
just like he got off the bus from Guatamala. He has played this card
for years, simply because of the digust he shows for any system that
allowed itself to be manipulated in such a fashion.

Gunner

One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that,
in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers
and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are
not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid.
Gunner Asch