"Hawke" wrote in message
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On 4/12/2010 2:27 PM, Wes wrote:
Mark wrote:

My 10 year old French 7 seater MPV does 33 miles per US gallon on the
highway
and 27.5 around town and will happily do 95mph, when needed. What's
typical in
the US?

My 2001 Saturn SL1 gets 35-36 mpg summer, 32-33 mpg winter and it will go
over 95mph. I
also pull a trailer at times but limit my carrying to about 500# for the
trailer and 500#
for the load.

Currently the daily commute, round trip, is ~90 miles.
Wes


Here's an analogy that describes where we are right now when it comes to
the use of fossil fuels. Remember the P51 Mustang fighter plane from WWII?
It was the peak of what a propeller driven fighter plane could be. It was
a great plane. But it was a propeller plane so it had its limitations and
it had reached as far as it could go. Then jet planes were invented and
the great old P51 became a museum piece.

We're at that point with fossil fuels. We've gone just about as far as a
modern society can go with them. They provided the energy we needed to get
us to this point but the limitations of those fuels is now holding us
back. So now its time to find a new and superior way of doing things the
same way jets replaced propeller planes. The problem is that old farts
can't imagine anything better and never see the future but only the past.
Which is why some guys here can't see that the end of the days of fossil
fuels is coming, and soon. It may take a couple of decades but you can be
sure that we won't be using fossil fuels like we do now 20 years from now.
Some kind of breakthrough will come. It may be in batteries or fuel cells,
or hydrogen, solar, bio fuels, or something we don't even know about yet.
But it will come and it will put petroleum based energy in the museum.
It's always the conservatives who can't see the future coming and do
nothing but whine and complain and say it'll never work when younger,
smarter people come up with the new ideas. It seems like America is
becoming a country of old farts and teabaggers and that the only way we
will advance is to follow the Europeans and Asians. Have we fallen hard,
or what? My advice to you old farts, shut up, quit your whining, and get
the hell out of our way.

Hawke

Except that Wes' 9 year old Saturn has nothing at all in common with the P51
Mustang or any other of your diversions. You just go aheadf and keep praying
at the altar of your messiah for some miracle fuel. Did you try scraping
some of the resins out of his crack pipe? That should get you as far as the
gutter.