On Mar 23, 12:32*pm, Upscale wrote:
On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 05:20:47 -0700 (PDT), busbus
wrote:

The bottom line is that for every example of somebody who is getting
screwed and losing everything because of medical problems, we can
probably find FIFTY or more examples of people who are abusing the
public assistance programs that are already in place. *Clean out the
garbage that is abusing the system that we have already established
and you will find more than enough money to fund this health care bill
AND to reduce taxes for every American.

Where are your statistics? Where are your factual records? How
*Exactly* does "probably find fifty more examples" turn into a proven
fact? All, I've heard from the "whiners" and "I'm being taxed to
death" is how the public assistance abusers are destroying the system.
Have ANY of you once mentioned the alternative? For every example of
somebody who is getting screwed and losing everything because of
medical problems, there are FIFTY or more example of greedy people
gutting the system for PROFIT. How many millions, billions and even
trillions of dollars have been stolen by people in positions of trust,
positions of managing huge amounts of money and places where lax
controls let people take what they want?

You read about them everyday, the few who have actually been caught.
Then there's a flood of charges and court cases and the person is
sentenced. BUT, have you noticed that the money is almost always gone?

How MANY thousands of times have these thefts happened? Yet, all you
whining miscreants do is blame the indigent and welfare bums. The
people who don't have the skills or wherewith all to steal and hide
such large sums of money.

IF YOU'RE GOING TO BLAME SOME GROUP FOR GUTTING THE COUNTRY, THEN
YOU'D BETTER MAKE DAMNED SURE THAT YOU BLAME THE RIGHT PEOPLE.

ALL YOU'VE DONE SO FAR IS USE THE INDIGENT AS SCAPEGOATS WHILE THE
REAL THIEVES BASK IN OBSCENELY RICH OBSCURITY.

You "complainers" aren't men. You're whiney little boys crying that
you've been screwed by the system while you sit back and blame the
easiest target available. Grow up and consider which truth is more
likely, that the welfare bums of your nation have stolen all your
money or the people in positions of trust have been more greedy that
any one of you can comprehend?

Wow, 180-degrees to the other side.

I never said people didn't put their grimy little hands into the
coffers, did I? Geesh.

Are you saying that there is not a large portion of the population
that are not perpetually in a welfare state? Who have never given
back to society but have been takers all their lives? THOSE are the
people I have a problem with.

I know there are people who are in trouble financially because of
medical expenses. I work for a guy now whose wife has maxed out her
lifetime credit and he is responsible for all of her expenses for the
rest of her life, and she has not even reached 50 yet. She has a long
way to go. I understand.

Listen, you are getting unreasonable. You are more or less saying
that people who suck money out of the system and never give back do
not exist or only make up a small fraction of our society.

As far as the rich, tell me one member of our Senate or Congress who
is not obscenely rich? There is no way they understand what is going
on in the lives of middle class Americans let alone the lower class.

Tell me how the "rich people" have gutted the country? These rich
people are the ones who also own businesses and employ people. Of
course, that is lost on somebody who is so far over the edge that it
is scary.

The biggest thing I have a problem with is the fact that this bill has
more-or-less completely broken the back of our constitution and the
government our founding fathers created way back when. I want our
Republic back. I am sick and tired of people telling me what I can
do, should do, will do. But just because I don't want to have people
bully me around, like your screaming words above, doesn't mean I hate
people or mankind. Whenever you need to lower your standard of living
substantially so that you are on the same level as everybody else,
that is socialism. And if it keeps up, eventually the only "rich"
people will be the people in the government, then what do you have?

By the way, are you saying that the thoughts and opinions of somebody
who lived in public housing and received welfare are way off base
because his father had the audacity to lift himself by his bootstraps
and pull himself out of receiving charity and put himself and his
family in the position to provide charity to those who needed it (if
they so chose)? Because he thinks that there are too many people now
who are taking advantage of the situation and not using it as an
opportunity to get a firm foundation and take a step out of that
misery?

I personally think it is the goal of extreme progressives to put as
many people into the situation that they NEED the government to
survive. The more tax recipients that are there, the more they need
the government, and the longer these bozos stay in power.

Here is another quote from the guy Gordon quoted earlier. You can see
this and many others at this URL: http://www.americanchronicle.com/authors/view/3603


"Healthca Okay, you say, you´ve got me here. Everyone knows what
healthcare means, right? Sure. But what are the parameters? Any honest
economist will tell you that the cheaper a desired good or service is,
the more the demand for it is. And if it´s free, the demand goes way
up. (Why don´t teenagers turn off the TV and lights, or shut the door
when they come in? Because electricity and heat are a "free good" for
them—they aren´t paying the bills.")

As healthcare gets cheaper, people use more of it. Which is why
insurance companies want deductibles and co-payments.

I want my employer to have a doctor in our office, who will be
available at a moment´s notice if I feel ill, give me a physical once
a month, run a CT & MRI every three months and dispenses no-cost
prescriptions to me as needed—or as desired. Ridiculous, you say? Why
would you say that? It certainly qualifies as good "healthcare" and
did not candidate Obama say that "Healthcare is a Right"? So, I only
want my rights here. And I want it to be affordable—I want someone
else to pay for it.

With a nod to Maggie Thatcher, the problem with "affordable" is you
eventually run out of other people´s money to pay for everything you
want to be able to afford."



That last line is the best: "...the problem with "affordable" is you
eventually run out of other people´s money to pay for everything you
want to be able to afford."