On Wed, 3 Feb 2010 19:32:43 -0800, "John R. Carroll"
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Too_Many_Tools wrote:
On Feb 3, 5:48 pm, "John R. Carroll" wrote:
Too_Many_Tools wrote:
On Feb 3, 3:46 pm, "John R. Carroll" wrote:
Too_Many_Tools wrote:
On Feb 3, 12:50 pm, "John R. Carroll"
wrote:
Ed Huntress wrote:
"John R. Carroll" wrote in message
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F. George McDuffee wrote:
On Wed, 3 Feb 2010 09:20:03 -0800, "John R. Carroll"
wrote:
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There is no conflict of interest.

You don't see the conflict when a government regulatory agency that
owns two competitors indicates that it's unsafe to use the product
of a third party thet it competes with?

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA.
That is the very definition of conflict of interest. Legislators
have been removed from office for less.

Yes...I see the "possible" conflict of interest...and I understand
your argument.

But John...it is TRUE.

What's true?


If this defect were applied to aircraft, entire fleets would be
grounded.

They didn't ground the Airbus A340 (?) fleet a year or so ago when it turned
out that sensor errors, compounded by a software defect, had been crashing
A340's for a decade.

The DC-10 fleet wasn't grounded, even when engines started falling off or
when it became known that the elevator jack screw mechanisms were defective
and the fleet started flying into the ground FCS.
You are entitled to your own opinions but not your own facts.


This recall is not like others.

Not like the Corvair, Pinto, or Vega recall's?
LOL

Apparently it's not like this GM recall either.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...910184,00.html One of
the differences being that back then, when a much higher percentage of
a larger number of affected vehicles suffered the problem, a much
higher percentage of drivers knew to stand on the brake pedal and shut
off the engine. Unlike today, when even a whiff of such a thing will
send scads of owners to the dealership to moan like hysterical
Nancies.

Here's a plain-old mechanical defect example of the same irrational
fearfulness. http://rav4world.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=20014 The
problem is that a piece of flexible tubing was used for oil transport,
and it sometimes fails. Unheard of, right? guffaw Anyway, it seems
that most who read about the problem freaked out, creating what may be
the longest thread on that forum. Most of the participants were
compelled to substitute an all-metal alternative. Apparently flexible
hoses can no longer be trusted... except for all the other uses these
owners haven't heard of, because the only thing that most of them
understand about mechanical things is whether or not the waiting area
at the dealer service dept. has WiFi. :-)

This is a defect that can and has killed.

Like Fords "Exploder's".
You know, when the entire fleet of those vehicles over ten years had been
built without enough tire on them.


And you have millions of affected cars on the road each day...with the
defect waiting to happen again.

The defect is easily overcome when it manifests. You shut the damned car
off, and no - they steering doesn't lock.
You can't turn the key that far without shifting the transmission.
That cop in San Diego died because he was a retard. He got his Darwin.
He killed himself and his friends needlessly.

But, but, but, we must reward his driving "skill" by identifying with
him! snorf

BTW, here's a rather unclear illustration of the actual Toyota gas
pedal mod. http://rav4world.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=24773

If your family was killed tomorrow by an affected car, would you still
have the same opinion?

I spent last week moving stuff hundreds of miles in an affected Sequoia and
Tundra.


Since you sound like a Toyota stockholder, I would be sharpening up
your pitchfork for their management.

I saw one exec claim that there were something like 8 confirmed
defective parts (pedal pivots dragging or sticking) out of 2 million.
I expect that it will turn out to be hundreds of genuinely affected
parts, with perhaps even dozens of accidents. Which isn't very earth
shattering. More importantly, there will be hundreds or maybe even
thousands of lawsuits, many of which will be filed by oldsters who
stepped on the wrong pedal and seek to blame somebody else for it. The
Sturm und Drang is going to have far more affect than the actual
problem. It will become another unnecessary drag on the economy,
another distraction from taking care of far more important issues, and
add more grease to the skids of national neurosis. The whole thing is
shaping up much like the Audi nuttiness.
http://www.automobile.com/audi-inves...eleration.html.
Sensible people won't want to be cheerleaders for sequels to that
delusional behavior. Alas, sensible people have become the minority.
The rest see even the shortest snippet of overwrought sensationalism
on the tube, and feel compelled to become zombies for the cause.
What's really frightening is to see how easily people can be whipped
into a frenzy.There are probably going to be accidents caused by
people who don't even own Toyotas, driving off the road to avoid them.
I suppose it's a corollary of lottery ticket buying - both caused by
an absolute inability to put things into a reasonable perspective.

Toyota realized about a year and a half ago that they needed to step up
their quality management.
They'd reduced vendor survey's and a bunch of other stuff to lower costs.
They have been restoring the quality management structure that their
reputation was built on and had replaced the top dog with the guy that is
now, and has been, doing that.

Toyota shareholders have already taken that haircut.

Wayne