Too_Many_Tools wrote:
On Dec 7, 9:13 am, F. George McDuffee gmcduf...@mcduffee-
associates.us wrote:
On 05 Dec 2009 19:35:08 GMT, Eregon wrote:





Too_Many_Tools wrote in news:a5cc7a67-5ce7-
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Ever hear of going without?
And other AMERICAN companies who DO hire Americans do make comparable
products.
Ever hear of REALITY?
The Average American Consumer couldn't care less where a product is made
so long as it doesn't cost him very much.
This is proven by the failure of the many "Buy American" campaigns that,
with few exceptions, have failed miserably.
The FACT is that large US manufacturers are laying off American workers
in favor of paying a tenth of the over-bloated Union wages to workers who
happen to live where the taxes are cheap.
==You can thank the Unions for the destruction of America.==
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While this may sound plausible, the workforce at AIG and Lehman
Brothers were not unionized, particularly in their offshore
operations where most of their troubles (and profits) seemed to
originate, and they did not go into bankruptcy because of
excessive labor costs.

It is not logical to blame the current economic and long-term
industrial/manufacturing problems of the United States on the
high wages paid to one group of corporate employees [blue collar]
while characterizing attempts to limit the wages of another group
of corporate employees [officers, managers and directors] as some
sort of communist plot or socialism.

It is well to remember that when the wages of employees are cut,
you also largely cut the taxes that they pay by the same amount.
Even the main stay of local government, the real estate property
tax, will be hit because the individuals and their families can
no longer afford to live in houses, and the revenue from the
state sales and income tax will also drop by about the same
amount.

Cutting wages not only reduces tax revenues, which the remaining
producers must attempt to make up through higher rates, but also
greatly increases the demand for governmental services such as
food stamps, WIC and low income (subsidized) housing.

The city of Detroit and the state of Michigan are prime examples
of what happens with significant wage reductions.

In general, cheap labor is too expensive for the majority of
citizens, although it may benefit the few, and this only until
their tax bills arrive, or they need a public service such as
police or fire.

While shells of these organizations still exist, the Teamsters,
the Steel Workers, and the UAW have all been operationally
broken, but the promised economic "rapture" has still not
arrived. This strongly indicates the operation of the old adage
"I cut it off twice and its still too short."

While exceptions do exist, it appears that organizations
generally get [or got] the [type of] union they asked for and
deserved, and the executives that howl the loudest about union
excesses are the same ones the unions are most closely imitating
in extracting excessive compensation, including wages, from the
company, regardless of personal performance.

Unka' George [George McDuffee]
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He that will not apply new remedies,
must expect new evils:
for Time is the greatest innovator: and
if Time, of course, alter things to the worse,
and wisdom and counsel shall not alter them to the better,
what shall be the end?

Francis Bacon (1561-1626), English philosopher, essayist, statesman.
Essays, "Of Innovations" (1597-1625).- Hide quoted text -

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Well said.

It took me a few years to come to the same realization.

The union red herring that others like to parade out doesn't work on
me anymore.

TMT


What people forget is that there never would have been any unions if the
owners had not mistreated their employees so badly. All you have to do
is look at U.S. history and how the labor movement came to be. Even an
idiot can see that if the employers had treated their workers like human
beings they never would have formed unions. So the businessmen created a
climate that brought about the unions. But it was the unions that gave
America the highest living standard in the world. Now the unions are
weak look at us. Our living standards are no longer going up and just
about everyone is poorer than they were a decade ago. I credit the
downward trend to Reagan, Bush, and Bush. Conservativism failed, it took
away prosperity rather than improved it.

Hawke