On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 12:09:59 -0500, bud--
wrote:
bob haller wrote:
beginning with the 1987 NEC this
wiring method cannot be used in wall or ceiling cavities that have
€śloose, filled, or foamed-in-place insulating material that envelops
the conductors.€ť This effectively means that such cavities cannot be
insulated, because the only method of compliance involves opening all
the walls to install board insulation products, and no contractor is
going to keep this wiring method with the walls open. This rule is
particularly controversial because, to the extent enforced in existing
construction, it is a powerful economic disincentive for owners to
retrofit thermal insulation.3
Again looking at
http://www.waptac.org/sp.asp?id=7190
a report to the Illinois Department of Commerce and Community Affairs -
looking at the record of the code change, it was not based on data
substantiating a actual problems. The report found that many
jurisdictions have modifications to the code prohibition of insulating
where K&T is present.
As I have already pointed out, there is no *data* to support the claim
that the insulation causes a hazard. The chief electrical inspector for
Minneapolis has said insulation was not a problem.
bud I copied and pasted because obviously you are too lazy to click on
links,
Too lazy - I am devastated. (Have you read my sources?)
while you spout dis information it just adds to readers
confusion.
My "dis information" came from state agencies and electrical inspectors.
Two of your sources were apparently home inspectors. Two of your
sources were completely unidentified.
I'm likely going to raise the ire of some home inspectors on this
group, but I've found them, on the whole, to be a pretty clueless
bunch.Many "minor issues" identified are actually pretty expensive
and serious shortcomings, while many "serious issues" are simple
maintenance items that can be easily remedied at low cost. And many
quite major issues are totally missed.
I want to see a knowledgeable electrical industry source, not home
inspector FUD.
rewiring isnt that expensive, when you consider how it increases your
homes value.
In the real world, rewiring to completely eliminate K&T is enormously
expensive.
Actually, in many cases , done as part of a redecoration job to get a
house ready to sell (improve curb appeal, make it "show well", the
cost to totally rewire to current code is SURPRISINGLY affordable.
Particularly if the house has both an accessible attic and a full
basement. It's incredible how little plaster/drywall really needs atro
be damaged/opened up to rewire an older home. The only thing not "to
code" would be the spacing of "handy-straps" holding the cable to the
studs. The extra wire needed to do it the "simple" way is much less
expensive than the extra labour etc to do it the "hard" way.
besides if a homebuyer cant get homeowners insurance its a no
sale...... for nearly every buyer out there.
Where is the insurance casualty *data* that justifies insurance denial.
Still missing.
Yup - but the FACT is, you still cannot buy NEW insurance on a home
with K&T wiring in the vast majority of both the USA and Canada.
Renewals are still (generally) available - but no "new business"
Just as it was missing when challenged in Maine and the insurance
company "provided no justification for its position that knob and tube
wiring per se automatically provides grounds for nonrenewal".
so the seller must rewire, at that point the rewire must meet all
current safety codes...............
You appear to have no concept of what the NEC requires. A "rewire" only
affects the wiring that is changed. A "rewire" does not require all
wiring in a house conform to the current NEC. You are really a fount of
misinformation.
As I have said, you can "rewire" and leave the existing K&T.
In many cases you can leave K&T by code, but in those same cases you
may STILL not be able to write new insurance policies on the home.
A friend's son bought a home less than 10 years ago that was
advertized as fully rewired and re-plumbed.
When he went to sell 2 months ago, a home inspector found there was
still K&T in use throughout most of the main part of the house, as
well as a lot of galvanized water pipe and the cast iron sewer stack
(which was rusted through and leaking in several spots)
When that was discovered, it had to be told to all prospective buyers
- which severely limited the market, and the price he could expect to
get for the house.
After getting some estimates they dropped the price something like
$30,000 and it was snapped up almost immediately - the buyer knowing
the wiring and plumbing could be brought up to current code, with all
iron pipe and K&T wiring replaced, and redecorated for that amount,
with money left over. (House listed for $285,000)
bud you want a 100 more? or a 1000?
just to discredit you i nwill be happy to keep on posting.
Of course, just like a Jehovah's Witness.
Still missing - *data* that supports your claim. Your buddies at State
Farm can't help you?