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On Aug 18, 2:43 am, Metspitzer wrote:
On Mon, 17 Aug 2009 21:37:32 -0700 (PDT), rangerssuck





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On Aug 18, 12:32 am, stan wrote:
On Aug 18, 2:17 am, rangerssuck wrote:

On Aug 17, 11:54 pm, Mike Paulsen wrote:

rangerssuck wrote:
I'm doing some remodel work in my kitchen and will be adding some
new
circuits and replacing some old. A few months from now, I'm going
to
do some extensive electrical work (new service entrance and
panel).
I'm not exactly sure where the new panel will end up - could be
at
either end of a wall, depending on a number of factors that I
simply
can't deal with today, and the sheetrock guy is coming later this
week, so the kitchen wiring has to be done...

So, here's my question: Is it a really horrible idea to do the
kitchen
wiring, drop the wires down to the basement, each circuit into
it's
own 4" square box, and then run romex from each of those boxes to
the
panel? That would give me the flexibility to get the kitchen done
this
week and the basement done in a few months.

So, good, bad, ugly or "don't do it" ?

Thanks

The junction boxes in the basement would have to remain accessible,
so
you'd want to make sure you would be OK with blank cover plates or
an
access panel where you're thinking of putting them.

How far is it from where the cables enter the basement to the
proposed
panel locations? Would it be feasible to just leave enough cable to
make
the longer run and accept the additional waste if you go with the
other
location?

This basement is, and will always be, unfinished, so accessibility is
not an issue. The boxes can just go up on a joist and stay there
forever. The way the cable would run to the alternate location could
add thirty or more feet to each run. I think I'll probably go with
the
junction boxes. They're pretty cheap (I may actually have enough on
hand without buying any), and it will get the job done neatly.- Hide
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Another quick suggestion ........... re kitchen outlets.

1) GFIs may be needed for certain outlets, near damp location. But not
for the fridge or any other appliance that has a motor, e.g.
dishwasher! GFIs may trip on motor start/unbalance.

2) The capacity of a single duplex outlet can be doubled by wiring it
'Edison outlet style'. Simply this means that one half of the outlet
is fed with say the black live and the other half with the 'other leg'
red live wire, white is the neutral, common to both. At this stage you
could drop down #12 AWG Red/Black/White plus ground for the short
distance from a few selected outlets and then later decide if you want
to use Edison style wiring or not. If not then ignore the red wire and
or wire the red and black together!
The added capacity can be useful if, for example, you may have two
reasonably 'heavy' appliances on the same outlet; e.g. a 100+ watt
m.wave and say a toaster-oven/electric fry-pan.
Edison outlets use double pole breakers, so you could plan for that
later during electric service replacement.

Just a couple of ideas

I like that idea, and yes, you would have to use double pole breakers,
as you can't have two separately protected circuits in the same box.

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That's correct AFIK. Can't have two separate hots in one box.
GFCI outlets compares the current in the neutral and live wires; for
anything plugged into the GFCI itself or any outlets wired downstream
of it. If the current is different the GFCI trips (For safety because
the difference might be leakage through a human).
So you can't use a GFCI for an Edison circuit with it's common
neutral. Plugging into either 'half' of an Edison outlet would
immediately be an unbalance and then 'click'.

There is nothing in the Nec that says two circuits can't be in the same box,
which Wayne Whitney clarified, and if you really wanted to do a split
system, I don't see any reason that you couldn't do it with a double pole
120/240 GFCI breaker, although it doesn't seem practical to me. I typically
run 12/3 around the entire counter in and out of deep 1900 boxes, alternate
the two circuits, and use independent gfci outlets.