On Jun 11, 1:23*pm, stan wrote:
On Jun 10, 9:12*pm, Jim Yanik wrote:

Well Jim even the MOST patriotic American would have to agree the last
8 years were the most disastrous for the USA in history!

I love it when people start off with a totally absurd statement that
totally discredits them. Either you have a total lack of knowledge
of US history, which I think is likely, or you are out of your mind.
It's funny how the libs who think they know so much, really are quite
clueless and lack any reasoned judgement. Long on emotion and short
on facts.






Two unresolved and unnecessary wars, no WMDs, erosion of civil rights
all over the place, torture, wire-tapping, illegal detention etc.

By the way got your compulsory passport to leave the country and
return???? There was time when Americans didn't need that; but as a
result of a 'Fortress America' mentality; the rise of protectionism
and isolationism that imposes restrictions on other nations, means
that US citizens now have to carry passports and obtain visas; like
everybody else!

Culmination being a major economic down turn; a credit crisis due to
poor financial controls of the US banking lending and insurance
system, and finally the US auto industry fiasco. (Always said that if
GM had made Toyotas under licence there never would have been a gas
price crisis or auto-sales down turn.)

So; with old US system in crisis, other countries, many with much more
social kindly government-run Employment and Health systems recovering
quite nicely and more quickly, there are apparently STILL people who
can't see follies of the government policies of the recent past.
Running a country with honesty and good legal controls/laws isn't
Communism!

The freedom to do what YOU want in everything is ANARCHY. Gunmen in
the streets, not paying taxes, civil law disobedience, etc. is not
democracy. Neither is an attitude of "I don't agree with that; lets'
nuke it!".

The era of USA being a great country has, unfortunately, greatly
diminished since the days of WWII, the Marshall Plan and its
leadership during the Cold War. There are a lot more economic players
now; with sufficient well educated populations to be the equal of
Europe, the USA, and that's not not only China, India etc.

People can throw around labels; 'Scare words' *such as 'Commie' (as in
the McCarthy era. And he was a nut-case!) or Socialist, without really
understanding what they mean! There are other forms of society which
are also democratic and elected by the people, that work just as well,
or in some cases better than the USA model, for those particular
countries.

Broaden up, be positive and take pride in *what your country and other
people of the world are trying to achieve. There will aways be the
naysayers/negatives let's not join therm!

Good luck.