On May 29, 3:41�pm, wrote:
It is permissable to install a three prong recpticle with no ground wire IF
the circuit was GFI protected. �You must label each GFI protected recpticle
and any down line recpticles, "no equipment ground". �Several "no equipment
ground" stickers usually come with GFI recpticles. �

On Fri, 29 May 2009 13:20:26 -0500, Douglas Johnson
wrote:



bob haller wrote:

if a homeowner installs non grounded 3 prong outlets and a visitor
somehow gets killed will their homeowners pay or dis own the plicy
holder?

Are you asking me to read your homeowners policy or are you throwing out ghosts
and goblins? �

This insurance won't pay goblin has kicked around the net for years. �A year or
so ago, I tried to see if it was real. �It was a slightly different context.
"Insurance won't pay if you do some uninspected, not to code, electrical wiring
and the house burns down."

I looked all through my Texas HO-1B homeowners policy. �The only thing that
might let them not pay is if I did it intentionally with the intent of causing
the fire. �I also asked two independent insurance adjusters. �Both immediately
said "They'll pay." �But don't complain to me if your company doesn't.

I can't image the situation is different if someone gets injured from the same
cause. �More than the insurance issue is the awful feeling of causing injury
from your screw up. �So I don't do those kind of things.

bob haller wrote:

Perhaps the ow death rate is thanks to the safety systems that have
been added over the years?

grounding, unifying grounds, circuit breakers, proper wire gauges to
carry current, better switches, GFCIs etc etc

There is little doubt in my mind that those systems have saved lives, but it is
kind of tough to prove. �Nobody files a report when a GFCI trips and saves a
someone from a shock.

But here is one interesting statistic. �There is an excellent book about Chicago
in the 1890's called "The Devil and White City". �It mentions that there were an
average of 12 deaths a day from fire in Chicago at that time. �Not too
surprising considering open gas flames for lighting, non existent fire codes...

According tohttp://firechief.com/news/chicago-fire-deaths7354/�there were a
total of 35 deaths from fire in Chicago in 2004. �So, yeah. �That stuff helps.

But let's keep it in scale. �If you are not wearing seatbelts, eating right, and
controlling weight and blood pressure, ground pins are the least of your
troubles.

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my issue was the moron who said just remove the ground pins from plugs
it will be fine......