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Han wrote:

Jack Stein wrote in news:gu702o$jfe$1
@news.motzarella.org:

I saw several of Obama's ACORN people on TV the other day stating they
registered to vote multiple times. One, 76 times, one, 32 times and
one, too many times to count. The one that said she registered too many
times to count said she didn't mind, she was doing it for the good of
the country.


What station and program, please? I suppose the moderator/producer of the
program was not supportive of ACORN.


Throughout the election cycle there were numerous reports (substantiated)
of this behavior. A quick Ask.com search should turn up numerous hits.

I am against voter fraud, but I am in favor of getting people out of
complaining mode and into constructive participation mode. Far less
important as to whether they are left or right. Heck, some of my best
friends are so far right, I look like a commie to them. I am just in
favor of justice, a chance for everyone willing to work, and for
responsible financing of the needs of of everyone according to their
contributions to
society. Capitalism is fine with me if it is responsble, and not just
stealing in the Madoff sense.


Madoff did not represent capitalism but rather fraud. Wouldn't matter
what system he was a part of, his type of personality would look for a way
to prosper at others' expense. In some systems, he would be at the top of
the political ladder, in others, a leech on society.

Socialism is fine with me too, as long as
it
is NOT mooching and handouts.


Socialism will always devolve to that point. As Margret Thatcher
said, "the problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other
peoples' money". It is a system that is not long term sustainable. One can
go back to Plymouth Colony and the Mayflower compact. The Pilgrims nearly
starved when they tried a socialist society; it was only after people were
allowed to keep the fruits of their labors that the colony prospered.
Eventually those who are productive and aggressive realize that their labor
is not making any difference to them and benefiting those not as ambitious
and they slack off as well. If there is no reward, there's no reason for
taking risk or being overly ambitious. That's why communist and socialist
states either start or eventually become totalitarian with the state
instituting itself as the state religion. The religion of communism was to
get people to abandon human nature and sacrifice themselves and their labor
for the good of the state.

Please contribute to society ...


The thing is, a free market, with government ensuring that the frauds and
cheats are kept at bay, is one of the most effective and efficient ways for
people to contribute to society.



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