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Cydrome Leader

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On Dec 28, 4:45 pm, Cydrome Leader wrote:
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On Dec 24, 1:08 pm, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 21:05:23 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader

You raise some interesting points, to try to respond to them......

Interesting. I don't deal with any such machines.

Would you deal with industrial size machinery anyway? - I admit I
don't, but thats what they have at my trade school, and they are
getting more of them. Conversations with the apprentices in my group
indicate they cant wait to get rid of the crappy worn out English/
Australian /American junk where they work and get nice new Chinese
ones. (As a time honoured tradition, the apprentices get the crappy
machines...for obvious reasons)

The $20 4 inch Chinese angle grinder is superb, you will get a year or
two out of it, and if it gets knocked off from the back of your truck,
no big deal. At that price, you have 3 or 4 of em loaded with
different disks - saves time and effort. Ditto with most of the rest
of their power tools, a lot of contractors here are using the Chinese
mitre saws for the same reasons.

are they better, or just cheap and diposable? Another recent thread here
mentioned angle grinders with slugs of metal in place of bearings.

Cheap and disposable - do you need anything else?

I like not throwing all my money away. what's next, disposable hammers,
srewdrivers and 4 use ladders? BTW, chinese ladders have made in to the
US. Werner is no longer all made in the USA or assembled in mexico. Beware
of what you get.

Hell, I like my clothing to fall apart after 3 washes too. Disposable is
great. long life bulbs? scratch that, I like using photographic bulbs
rated 3-4 hours wherever I can. Just throw them away and get new ones.

Concrete? forget that, use plaster, it washes away, so you can replace it
nonstop.

And for the rest - these are people who build most of the electronics
in your lounge room. Including the semiconductors in them. And they

not mine, for other people that prefer the 100% off-shore labor and
diposable lifestyle, until their job is finally obsolete, I'm sure it's
all chinese stuff.

How do you know? - ever opened it up, had a look. And unless its
1970's vintage, a LOT of it will be Chinese sourced. And I can only
assume you dont have a $40 DVD player...

It's actually a 1998 DVD player from sony, it was made in japan. TV is
assembled in mexico. The inside seems to be a mix of US and japanese
parts. The last of the at the time "large" CRT TVs were all assembled in
mexico. The unions tried to throw down with Zenith, Zenith said **** you,
and that was that. All other makers were there already or followed.

Speaker are all from the 90s and made here. Amp is made in the USA in the
1990s, even the electrolytics in are from here. If it blows up, great,
it's made to be repaired, not thrown away.

that stuff lives in a rack from CPI, made in the USA. TV sits on a stand
made in canada. I'm guessing slaves didn't made either of those.

Here's some stuff in computer room.

- computer, HP, assembled in USA, components no doubt from china
- tables, IAC, made in USA
- chair, Steelcase, made in USA
- relay rack, CPI, made in USA
- shelves, CPI and DAMAC, made in USA
- speaker, MK, made in USA (not the chinese **** before they folded)
- amp, ATI, made in USA
- light bulbs, GE, made in USA, fixture probably mexico, same for ballast.
- keyboard, Unicomp, made in USA
- trackball, forgot brand, made in USA and recently.
- monitor, Eizo, made in japan
- last monitor, Hitachi, made in UK in 1996 (weird)
- KVM, Oulook Apex, made in USA
- power conditioner, Oneac, made in USA, transformer inside, made in USA

Is it all made here, no, but a reasonable effort was made to support
manufacturing here in the USA. It's also nice that the quality is high on
lots of these products, so I don't need to throw them away ever 6 months
because they wore out. You have to be rich to buy all your stuff back over
and over again, hell why not just lease everything from the bank of china
instead?

don't give a rats arse about supplying data sheets, or selling spares,
unless you want to buy a min. of 100,000 units - they don't need to,
so they don't .They have put men in space, built supersonic jet

They put more men into mining disasters and kids in collapsed schools
than into space.

So? - whats that got to do with high end electronics and
manufacturing?

It means you're dealing with people who don't care about quality or
safety. Safety is a form of quality for people. If your people are not
important, I can't imagine how important the products you make are.

you really think that people who can't make building that can hold their
own weight care about the quality of export products?

fighters, ICBM's and nuclear submarines. And, being pragmatists, and
businessmen, (sorta like republicans, I guess) they will sell you any
level of quality you want.

And if your company in the US wants to screw them down on price to get
a bigger retail profit, well, they will happily oblige by making a
cheaper, crappier product.

This here is the issue I have- the junk. I can't think of anything you get
that's made in china because it's the "best" or "better" than other
sources.

Yep, they will sell us junk if we want it.We don't see the high end
stuff.And most of us couldn't afford it anyway. And, due to the weirdo
capitalist system we mutually run, people will buy on price rather
than quality - its a race to the bottom, but hey - thats "market
forces"....

judging from $20 angle grinders with fake bearings, you (or whoever)seem
to want junk, and nothing else. I suggest leasing everything if that't the
case.