On Dec 28, 4:45 pm, Cydrome Leader wrote:
wrote:
On Dec 24, 1:08 pm, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 21:05:23 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader

You raise some interesting points, to try to respond to them......

Interesting. I don't deal with any such machines.

Would you deal with industrial size machinery anyway? - I admit I
don't, but thats what they have at my trade school, and they are
getting more of them. Conversations with the apprentices in my group
indicate they cant wait to get rid of the crappy worn out English/
Australian /American junk where they work and get nice new Chinese
ones. (As a time honoured tradition, the apprentices get the crappy
machines...for obvious reasons)

The $20 4 inch Chinese angle grinder is superb, you will get a year or
two out of it, and if it gets knocked off from the back of your truck,
no big deal. At that price, you have 3 or 4 of em loaded with
different disks - saves time and effort. Ditto with most of the rest
of their power tools, a lot of contractors here are using the Chinese
mitre saws for the same reasons.

are they better, or just cheap and diposable? Another recent thread here
mentioned angle grinders with slugs of metal in place of bearings.

Cheap and disposable - do you need anything else?

And for the rest - these are people who build most of the electronics
in your lounge room. Including the semiconductors in them. And they

not mine, for other people that prefer the 100% off-shore labor and
diposable lifestyle, until their job is finally obsolete, I'm sure it's
all chinese stuff.

How do you know? - ever opened it up, had a look. And unless its
1970's vintage, a LOT of it will be Chinese sourced. And I can only
assume you dont have a $40 DVD player...

don't give a rats arse about supplying data sheets, or selling spares,
unless you want to buy a min. of 100,000 units - they don't need to,
so they don't .They have put men in space, built supersonic jet

They put more men into mining disasters and kids in collapsed schools
than into space.

So? - whats that got to do with high end electronics and
manufacturing?

fighters, ICBM's and nuclear submarines. And, being pragmatists, and
businessmen, (sorta like republicans, I guess) they will sell you any
level of quality you want.

And if your company in the US wants to screw them down on price to get
a bigger retail profit, well, they will happily oblige by making a
cheaper, crappier product.

This here is the issue I have- the junk. I can't think of anything you get
that's made in china because it's the "best" or "better" than other
sources.

Yep, they will sell us junk if we want it.We don't see the high end
stuff.And most of us couldn't afford it anyway. And, due to the weirdo
capitalist system we mutually run, people will buy on price rather
than quality - its a race to the bottom, but hey - thats "market
forces"....

It doesn't even have to do with china itself. Most stuff you get these
days is watered down garbage.

I was recently looking for US made copper clad stainless steel pots.
Apparently, nobody makes one that's not paper thin or has all the spot
weld well marks visible. I don't think any of the Revere or ekco stuff is
even made here anymore, or anywhere close to how they were before.

Are you REALLY surprised? - you act like a third world customer, you
get third world quality...see above point..

Andrew VK3BFA..