"www.GymRatZ.co.uk" wrote in
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Dave Liquorice wrote:

(*) This doesn't mean cruelty or severe punishment but firm and
consistent
discipline on it's behavior from all the family members.

It's the "all familly members" bit that is the hardest bit to acheive,
which makes consistencey of heirachy in the pack more awkward.

Discipline not being whacking or hitting the dog or shutting it out in
the rain, just an expression of dominance through body posture and lack
of "respect" for the dogs own space - The Dog being bottom of the pack
has NO space and no right to space and absolutely nothing "belongs" to
the dog, not bed, nor toys, nor food, nor furniture, not garden, nothing.

Dog is nothing more than dog. This is what dog understands and knows and
is at it's happiest being treated as such.

Dog gets off furniture for human to sit, human should always take
furniture space currently occupied by dog even if alternative seating is
available, human never ever backs down in human - dog "arguement" no
matter how long human has to stand their ground and advance into dog's
temporary battleground.

So quite the opposite of a cat:-) But I could not agree more with what you
have said. I once went out with a girl that had an Alsation. The Alsation
was the pack leader. I had a Border Terrier at the time and she thought that
I was cruel for not letting it into my bed at night and onto the setee
whenever it wanted!

Adam