On Sat, 27 Sep 2008 11:37:50 GMT, (Doug Miller) wrote:

In article , Mark Rand wrote:
On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 12:42:27 GMT, (Doug Miller) wrote:

In article , Mark Rand
wrote:
On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 22:32:42 GMT, (Doug Miller) wrote:

In article , Mark Rand
wrote:
On Wed, 24 Sep 2008 11:09:33 GMT, (Doug Miller) wrote:

In article
fbeaufortcounty,
Al Patrick wrote:
Doug Miller wrote:

Conveniently ignoring the fact that it was Bill Clinton, not G.W. Bush,
who

ensured that China was awarded "most favored nation" trading status...

I'm conservative, capitalist, right-wing and probably on your side. I
hate
many things
that Billy Boy and Hillary did . . . BUT The first time I recall China
and
it's
"most
favored nation" status was under ol' Tricky Dicky!

Excuse me, I misspoke; should have read "*permanent* status". Prior to
Slick

Willie, China's MFN status had to be renewed periodically (annually, IIRC)
to
remain in effect.


What precisely, is wrong with having good trade relations with the nation
that
is going to be the world's largest economy in a few years time?

Some of us have a problem with doing business with a country that:
- has ICBMs with nuclear warheads, targeted on American cities
- imprisons people for practicing the religion of their choice
- rigidly controls its population growth by forced abortion and infanticide
- sells products which are produced by prison (i.e. slave) labor
- pollutes the environment on a scale never before seen anywhere in the
world
- forces workers to labor in absymally unsafe working conditions for
negligible pay
- doesn't allow its subjects to live where they choose

Maybe these things don't bother you. IMO they should.


Pot? Kettle?

What is that supposed to mean?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pot_cal...e_kettle_black

I understand perfectly well what the phrase means. I was asking what meaning
you thought it had *in this context* -- since I do not engage in any of the
conduct of which I was complaining.


Ok:-

"Some of us have a problem with doing business with a country that:
has ICBMs with nuclear warheads, targeted on American cities"

Where are all the US ICBMs targeted? The Moon?

"imprisons people for practicing the religion of their choice"

Camp X-ray comes pretty damn close to that.

"rigidly controls its population growth by forced abortion and infanticide"

A result of breaking the one child per family law. They _need_ to contain
population. Pity more countries don't do the same.

"sells products which are produced by prison (i.e. slave) labour"

Does the term "chain gang" have any meaning to you?

"pollutes the environment on a scale never before seen anywhere in the world"

China passed the US for CO2 in 2006. Given that It has more than four times
the population, it's got a long way to go to meet the US's levels per capita.

"forces workers to labor in absymally unsafe working conditions for negligible pay"

Workers come from the countryside to the cities for work due to the relatively
high pay. Just because they aren't making $20/hour doesn't mean that they are
low paid in their economy. Working conditions are comparable to those
experienced in the west in the 60's and 70's. before we got infected by
lawyers.

"doesn't allow its subjects to live where they choose"

Has the US given the aboriginal American's land back yet?



In other words. Almost all of your complaints about China can be duplicated in
the US's current or recent record.

As I said:- Pot? Kettle?

Face it. In a very short time, China will be the world's largest economy. It's
been providing a large part of the Western consumer boom for the last two
decades and has the same relation to the US that the US had with Britain in
the 19th century. That's the way things happen.


Mark Rand
RTFM