On Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:12:05 -0500, Ignoramus25756
wrote:

On 2008-06-09, Zayonc wrote:
Gunner Asch wrote:

On Sun, 08 Jun 2008 21:18:01 -0700, Zayonc wrote:


Jim Wilkins wrote:


On Jun 8, 2:12 am, Wes wrote:


And if it says the KGB troops are behind you, keep going forward, it is soviet.


General James Gavin was the US commander in Berlin right after the
war, and Marshall Zhukov was the Soviet commander. They met often and
became friendly, but Gavin reported that he was the only person who
could be around Zhukov without fearing for his life.

So what was the real issue? Was Zhukov so Terrible, or
people around to easy to be scared or may be Gavin was
megalomaniac?

the russian military had little regard for individual soldiers lives.
one could be executed, purged etc for simply being in view when a
superior woke up with a hangover. Unless you had what is called a
"rabbi' in western terms...or were of equivelent rank or otherwise
protected in some fashion...there was no safety for you.

Gunner, looks like your life was full bodied! Possible after
you walked through Concentration Camps in 70-es you also served
in russian (by the way - why not Soviet?) military, I suppose
under some pretended name. Otherwise - from where did you get so
much knowledge about so obscure matters?

Gavin was protected because he was both an equal and a representative
of an ally govenment.

You should understand that nobody was protected when dealing
with such evil Communists! Gavin survived just be accident,
possible Zhukov did not have hangovers mornings Gavin visited?

You are aware of why KGB troops trailed behind regular russian troops
are you not? They usually were a heavy machine gun organization and
their job was to shoot any Russian soldier or soldier(s) who didnt
give their all in a charge, or even hesitated, let along started to
fall back.

For this one I could only add that KGB troops were very bad
marksmen! Missed a lot and coz they were firing to the Germans
direction this was the actual reason why Soviet Army killed 80%
of all German troops in WWII.

The movie Enemy at the Gates showed this rather well.

Ok, thanks, now I see! This is the source of your knowledge!
Very respectable source indeed!

The blocking detachments (zagradotryad) existed, but in relatively
small numbers, I believe that it was 3 batallions per front (front is
an army group). So while it would not be true to say that all soldiers
has to fight with blocking detachments behind their backs, they
existed.

The 80% of German personnel killed on the Eastern front, is correct.


and to be accurate..they were nkvd as the kgb wasnt formed until 1954

But chekists they were indeed.


Gunn er



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