HI Andy

Andy Hall wrote:
On 2008-05-22 07:29:11 +0100, Adrian said:

You're absolutely right - you can fly to Cork.
Many people who have filled in our e-petition have their own reasons
for wanting to bring their own cars / vans etc, and bring them to Cork
rather then Rosslare on the East coast.

Yes, and I've done that on several occasions and for that matter to Dublin.

OK



Parents with young kids prefer the shorter driving distance (landing
in Cork removes 4 - 5 hours from the journey at the start and end of
the holiday.

So one answer there is to factor this into the holiday. For example,
add a couple of extra days and make overnight stops. It isn't as
though there aren't attractive places to visit on these routes to and
from the ferries.

That's fine - but most holiday lets are on a weekly basis - so you'd
either need to take a couple of extra days over your holiday to allow
for the travelling, or persuade the owner to let you the property for 5
days rather than 7....



Many people prefer to bring their own bits & pieces - kayaks, rowing
boats (yes - really!), hang-gliders, bicycles, caravans - not so easy
on the plane.
People prefer the familiarity of their own vehicle, rather than an
expensive hired car.

Agreed for some purposes. For some purposes I take my car to places
all over Europe. For others I rent a car and take that or rent one
locally. Overall, I am not sure that there is a substantial cost
difference when all factors are taken into account.

True.... there are many sides to the argument






and so it goes on...

And as to wanting people from Swansea - you'll be aware that the Irish
as a nation are famed for their friendly, hospitable attitude - and
this extends to everybody, regardless of nationality. As a 'blow-in'
myself, I can vouch for this.

I know, I was being facetious.

Sorry - missed the smiley...



Some 15% of the vehicles carried were bring freight, rather than
passengers - so all that freight is now going either via Rosslare (+4
hours), via Dublin (even longer driving), by air - or just not going
at all. There's a story on our 'my stories' section from a chap who
rund a small courier firm - used to do lots of trips from West Cork to
London - specialising in art & antiques. Because the Cork Swansea
ferry no longer runs - he's now so uncompetitive (longer travelling
times) that he doesn't even tender for UK-IE business..

Well.... for this one there are several sides to the discussion.
Another is that some people choose to live in SW Ireland because it's
relatively remote, in the same way that they live in the extremities of
the UK such as Cornwall and the Scottish outer isles.

In the latter case there has been the discussion about the subsidy of
the ferry services. There may be a case for that if it's the only
available option.

I don't know the detail of the Swansea/Cork case, but presumably there
is an element of commercial viability?

Looks like it from the accounts I was reading - mind, accounts can show
anything g


Commercial ferry operators are not in the business of providing public
services. If there is a shortfall, then there are a few options to do
something about that:

- Attract more business for the ferry.
- Raise fares.
- Arrange subsidy for the ferry operator from central government, local
government, local business.

Swansea Cork Ferries seem to have adopted option #4 - sell the boat !
Strange behaviour - especially when you don't have a replacement lined up...


What are you trying to achieve with your petition?

Simply to act as a focus for the discussion and to raise the profile of
the issue. Dublin is a long way from Cork & Kerry - and there's a
feeling that our concerns aren't being heard up there.

Persuade members of
the Dail to provide a subsidy? I think that they may run into fun with
the EU about that because there are alternative ways to reach the
region, so it becomes a matter of degree.

Maybe it would be worth looking at this on a broader front? i.e. more
of the approaches mentioned above,

Looking at some of the responses on your web site, I can see that there
are quite a few holidaymakers who bemoan the changes. Fine. Perhaps
it would be an idea to ask them if they would be willing to pay an
increased fare to have the ferry operating. If the decreased
journey time, fuel etc. is significant to them, they should have no
problem in paying substantially more. It's very easy to sign a
petition berating loss of a public service. The acid test is will the
petitioners put their hands in their pockets.


Agreed - anybody can complain. The e-petition is deliberately 'open' in
its format - because we wanted to get peoples' views on the matter. As
soon as you start putting 'tick boxes' there then it becomes far too
easy to just give a 'tick box' response - which we felt has less value..


It seems to me that if you want to win this one, you will need to attack
it on a broader base.



There's also the 'green' aspect - which many people have mentioned....

That's a weak argument in really making a difference to this.


Maybe - only passing on what the folks have said..

Thanks for your comments - appreciated

Adrian