In article , yourname wrote:

The phrase "and general Welfare of the United States" implies "taking money
from some people to give to others". Charity is a completely different
concept. You may engage in charity as well as paying your taxes if you wish,
but don't mither about what your government does legally with your taxes.


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Regards
Mark Rand
RTFM

while 'general wlfare' doesn't mean 'welfare' it more closely means 'do
with what it sees fit'

If you read the Federalist the founders figured the gov't would tend to
not bother with many things that is now does, but they are not 'illegal'

Au contraire, the Tenth Amendment, the last item of the Bill of Rights,
makes it crystal clear that powers specifically not delegated to the
federal government in the Articles (or later Amendments) are NOT
AVAILABLE for use by the federal government. Here's the text:

" The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution,
nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States
respectively, or to the people. "

This enumeration language means that while the Constitution outlines
broad powers to coin money, regulate commerce between the states (*),
form treaties, raise an army in times of war, and some other things, it
does NOT have any enumerated power to hand out money as welfare.

(Needless to say, the Brit who claimed that "provide for the general
welfare," in the preamble, means "welfare" in the dole sense, is
greatly misinformed about the words and what they mean.)

(* By the way, "regulate commerce between the states" in in the sense
of tariffs and trade restrictions, saying the states could not act as
independent countries and create trade barriers and tariffs between
states, that only the Federal government could regulate commerce. It
has _nothing_ to do with the Federal government regulating what people
charge for goods, for example, or racial discrimination, as it was
later incorrectly used to regulate, as in the Ollie's BBQ case.)

As for welfare and doles, the Old Gunner used to quote Sen. David
Crockett on this matter. Crockett was absolutely right: the
Constitution does not provide for such welfare payments.

--Tim May