On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 07:55:52 GMT, Alan Connor wrote:

On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 07:06:16 GMT, Gunner wrote:



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Welcome back, Gunner.

I had no doubt at all.

Nor do I see any need to coddle a tough son-of-a-bitch like you:


That rifle hanging on the wall of the working-class flat or labourer's
cottage is the symbol of democracy. It is our job to see that it stays
there.
- George Orwell


No. Rifles are the symbol of brutal conquest, which is just a fancy
term for armed robbery on a large scale.

Ballot boxes are the symbol of democracy.

There are a WHOLE lot of people with a LOT of weapons that
don't have any democracy...Not a ballot box in sight.

Duh.

:-)

Does America's violence around the world create democracy? Try
this little quizz:

It consists of one (1) multiple-choice question. Here's a list of the
countries that the U.S. has bombed since the end of World War II,
compiled by historian William Blum:

1. China 1945-46
2. Korea and China 1950-53
3. Guatemala 1954
4. Indonesia 1958
5. Cuba 1959-1961
6. Guatemala 1960
7. Congo 1964
8. Peru 1965
9. Laos 1964-73
10. Vietnam 1961-73
11. Cambodia 1969-70
12. Guatemala 1967-69
13. Grenada 1983
14. Lebanon 1983, 1984
15. Libya 1986
16. El Salvador 1980s
17. Nicaragua 1980s
18. Iran 1987
19. Panama 1989
20. Iraq 1991-2003
21. Kuwait 1991
22. Somalia 1993
23. Bosnia 1994, 1995
24. Sudan 1998
25. Afghanistan 1998, 2001-2004
26. Yugoslavia 1999
27. Iraq 2002-2004

Q: In how many of these instances did a democratic government,
respectful of human rights, occur as a direct result?

Choose one of the following:

(a) 0
(b) zero
(c) none
(d) not a one
(e) a whole number between -1 and +1
(f) zip
(g) squat
(h) nada



AC

Ok Everybody.. sing along with the oscar meyer weiner song:


Oh I wish and was liberal like AC..
that is truely what I'd like to be ee eee
And then I take the guns awaayyaa
And give them to the big bad goverments...


How many tyranical goverments maintain control over their citizens
with guns and violent weapons? How many goverments keep the citizens
in check and subject to their laws and judicial systems with guns???



1. China
2. Korea
3. Guatemala
4. Indonesia
5. Cuba
6. Guatemala
7. Congo
8. Peru
9. Laos
10. Vietnam
11. Cambodia
12. Guatemala
13. Grenada
14. Lebanon
15. Libya
16. El Salvador
17. Nicaragua
18. Iran
19. Panama
20. Iraq
21. Kuwait
22. Somalia
23. Bosnia
24. Sudan
25. Afghanistan
26. Yugoslavia
27. Iraq
28 USSR
29 Africa
30 USA
31 Canada
32 Mexica
33 Chile
34 Japan
35 Taiwan
37 Brazil
38 England
39 Israel
40 Palestine
41 Venuzuala
and so on and so...