On Sat, 15 Dec 2007 18:46:42 -0500, Tanus wrote:
Dave Hinz wrote:

Yes. We give you specs, and you substitute lead paint where it's not
specified, lead paint where it's not specified, and toxins in the pet
food to boost the apparent protein count in the wheat gluten - except
that it kills the pets. Oh, and the antifreeze in the toothpaste, that
was a nice touch.

You gave me nothing. I don't manufacture
the stuff, and I don't import it. Take
me out of this equation.

And yet, you inject yourself INTO the equation as an apologist for the
criminals in question. Your choice, not mine. You want to defend them,
you take the criticism of them.

Bull****. That crap isn't supposed to be in the products in the first
place. And yet China-apologists like you will deflect the blame from
anyone but the ones making the intentional decision to put substances in
the products which are known to be harmful and illegal.

I don't know where you get the idea that
I'm a China-apologist. I haven't taken
them off the hook whatsoever. What I
have said is own up to your
responsibility.

They're given a spec. They arbitrarily decide to deviate from the spec
and use something cheaper and toxic. And then YOU defend them.

Retailers like Mattel
knew damned well they were using
manufacturing companies that would cut
corners if they could. And they did.

Prove it. And prosecute Mattel.

A Chinese manufacturer deviated from the spec given to them. YES, hell
yes, I think the importer should be held liable for the toxic products.
If you had gone to productrecallwatch.com and read any of the commentary
I've written there, you'd find that blisteringly clear. BUT, if China
wasn't putting the crap into the products in the first place, we
wouldn't have this problem, would we. They share blame, but the only
ones we can directly do anything about are the importers.

So can the retailers, but I agree. It
belongs more in the lap of the importers.

And yet you defend those who substitute safe chemicals for poison.
Interseting.

And who do you pretend it is? Every retailer that sells it? No. The
corner store should not be burdoned with testing products.

Now you're just being petty. You know as
well as I do I'm not talking about
corner stores.

Do I? Let's be specific. The manufacturer is ultimately responsible.
But, they're in a different country with a suspect (to say the least)
legal and political system. So in the US, our only realistic recourse
is to punish the importers. This doesn't change the fact that China
continues to exploit the ill-advised "most favored trade nation"
status. Lets revoke that until they earn our trust.

The
importers? Somewhat. They bring it in to the country, and should be
responsible to make sure it works and is safe. The manufacturers?
Absolutely.

No, my perspective is just different
from yours. My suspicion is that anyone
who has that has a "unique" perspective
to you

Lets see. So you want to defend China for shipping toxic products to
us. Why, exactly, have you chosen this specific cause as yours?

I intend to. What does that have to do with toxic Chinese imports,
exactly?

One trick pony, aren't you?

It's called "sticking to the topic of the post". You should try it.
Answer the question.