On Dec 3, 3:03Â*pm, " wrote:
On Dec 3, 2:54�pm, Edge wrote:





On Dec 3, 12:31 pm, (Chris Lewis) wrote:

According to Oren :

Recently the gas company was out to put a new meter on a new home. She
installed the meter and opened a gas line inside the garage to purge
the line. About thirty feet away was a lit cigarette.
The tech told me that the cigarette was "not hot enough" to ignite the
gas. I was surprised by this comment.

A smouldering cigarette isn't very hot - puffing it makes it a lot
hotter, and apparently methane has a rather high ignition energy compared
to other gasses.

However, the explanation is probably not that.

Methane has a LFL (lower flammability limit) of 5.3% and a UFL
(upper flammability limit) of 15%. �It also has LEL (lower explosive
limit) of 5.53%.

Which means that unless the methane concentration in air is between LFL
and UFL, it won't ignite.

Gas lines past the regulator are also fairly low pressure, so opening
it doesn't spew gas very quickly. �Secondly, methane is lighter than
air, so it goes up, rather than stick around.

An residential gas line venting in open air, is quite unlikely to
ignite from something 30' away. �Even enclosed in an open garage,
it'd take a while to build up the concentration to the danger
point - if there's any ventilation at all, it might not ever reach
that concentration more than a few feet away from the vent point.

You still have to be careful - there could be wind patterns
that push a plume to exactly the right place. �And it depends on
the gas. �Propane is heavier than air. �It will "puddle" in
depressions and stick around for quite a while in low wind
conditions. �There was a propane tank car derailment around 40
years ago in the north end of Toronto, where the tank fully
vented. �Everything was pretty much under control, until the
propane flowing down a small creek valley (very still air
conditions) finally reached an open flame about half a mile away.

Can't happen with methane.
--
Chris Lewis,

Age and Treachery will Triumph over Youth and Skill
It's not just anyone who gets a Starship Cruiser class named after them.

I have been told that natural gas is not chemically pure. It is a
mixture of various natural gases - methane, ethane, etc. What the
utility company does to ensure a uniform BTU, I don't know.

As for the low pressure of the gas line, I know that I have turned on
the gas at a stove where it did not ignite immediately. The gas
buildup from just waiting a couple of seconds before finally igniting
produces a mini explosion that would singed my eyebrows if I were
close enough. A plumber's face would be closer to an open pipe. I
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stove burners are mixers too, designed to mix air and gas for good
burning. thats not the case with a open gas line.

gas companies do it all the time, as proof whens the last time your
gas was shut off when they did repairs?

never in my case, really only occurs when water gets into gas lines.
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For what it's worth, I was watching TOH a few weeks ago where they
tapped into the gas main to run a new line to a customer. They used
something very similiar to those needle valves you use to tap into a
water line. It was more sophisticated in that they drilled the line
first and then attached the valve, but the device they used kept the
gas line sealed at all times. I know that's not a repair, but the
point is that they kept the system both pressurized and sealed at all
times.

However, I do have a question about your repair scenario: If they
actually opened the lines and vented the gas to the open air during a
repair, wouldn't there be a "gap" in any downstream gas delivery that
would extinguish any pilot lights that were burning?