Tom,
I think you are naysayer acting like a strawman. You simply haven't got it
have you:
No matter if there where hundreds of coconut bowls in Europe in 14th
century,
No matter where all the other but two orgined from,
At least one of the two silvered coconut bowls origined from Vinland. That's
very very well documented. Re. the other our friend here in group Goran
Baarenhielm once told me was found in Iceland. Guess Goran might be able to
fill in the details for that one.

You have to accept fact. On a ship leaving Bergen 1354, passing Iceland was
Ivar Bardson and Paul Knutson. On board was Ivar Bardson's Icelandic
collegue - the tithes collector for Iceland as Ivar was for the dioceses
under Gardar Greenland. The dioceses in Iceland were two - Hola and
Skalholt. The dioceses under Gardar were three at the time in question and
Vinland was one of them.
It's also proven beyond any reasonable doubt that Ivar Bardson did return
with ALL of Vinland's tithes for 1354-1364 and the other tithes for the
Greenland See's dioceses AND that among the Vinland tithes items were the
silvered coconut bowl directly brought over the Atlantic. That's very very
well documented in Papal papers!

For your own sake you better accept that and work from there. There is no
use in disputing a hill you find while working the wood no matter if it's
not marked on your map. We have had enough of that drivel behavior. Not
everyone can perform the act of an OT(orientation)-organisation here in
Sweden who ordered the hill blown away before the orienteers from several
country start their game.....

Inger E

"Tom McDonald" skrev i meddelandet
...
Inger E Johansson wrote:

Martin H,
if you have Viking blood in you is irrelevant to the fact that the
valuble
coconut bowl only was one of two known coming from the New World in Pre
Columbian days.
Or do you believe your proven(?) Viking genes make a difference on that
fact?

Inger E


Inger,

From references presented here, it appears that there were many
bowls made around coconut shells in Europe around that time.
One site even said that they were common enough that some were
owned by commoners; but that they were often given as gifts, and
gave the owner (and of course the giver) some status.

Given this, why could the bowl(s) not have been brought to
Greenland from who owned such bowls? Or why could the bowl(s)
not have been given as a gift to someone (perhaps a clergy
member or settlement leader) from someone in Europe?

Importation of such bowls from Europe needs to be ruled out
before your view of a North American or Caribbean provenance for
the coconut can be accepted. What evidence do you have that
this has been considered and rejected?

Tom McDonald