On Sat, 27 Oct 2007 05:40:57 GMT, "Gini" wrote:


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"Gini" wrote:
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All your questions *of merit* have been answered here. See eBay "Help" to
resolve any
further confusion you may have pertaining to eBay rules. Hey. I know--ask on
alt.marketing.online.ebay. They are
real friendly folks over there who love helping newbies.
==
I don't want to step on anybody's toes, so just relax and don't bite
my head off, shoot my dog or electrocute my cat over nothing. This
information and clarification I provide is for future reference to
those who may need it. Not to inflame another war.

My basic goal was to get steel shingles and not get duped by an
unscrupulous seller. I found what I was looking for on eBay. Many
recommended I use credit card as I will be protected. Many of you
also here recommended I don't deal with that eBay seller and go
elsewhere as he doesn't appear to be legit and the use of credit cards
wont protect me. Sound advice so why am I still here? For exactly
the same reason as everybody else - so I can create and negotiate my
own price instead of being told what the price is.

Anyway, I found out from my visa cust. service dept. this morning that
my basic, no-fee visa, as a rule of thumb, does NOT protect me for
THIS kind of purchase and I am on my own since terms of the purchase
are clearly spelled out - protected up to $200 and on the hook for the
rest. The charge wont (will NOT) be reversed unless I can prove fraud
occurred.

That said, I was also told that if I provide documentation (sales
contract) prior to the transaction taking place, my visa will "clear
the path" for this purchase. I gather this purchase becomes C.O.D. if
the bank knows ahead of time who, what, when, how.. In that case YES,
I am protected and they WILL reverse the entire charge regardless
what paypal offers ($200).

In fact, my visa wants to know about all shady and out of the ordinary
transactions prior to the purchase taking place so banks have time to
freeze funds until the transaction completes successfully and
everybody makes good on the sales contract. In their own words, it is
a fraction of the effort and cost to prevent damage as opposed to
unwinding damage after the fact.

That was the first half of my puzzle. The second half of the puzzle
was how to make the seller compromise so it is a win-win situation
rather than him holding all the cards once he gets all my money.

As everybody knows by now, it is not possible to complete the entire
purchase on eBay as only one part (shingles) of the entire assembly
(ridges, nails, clips, gables, valleys, felt, shingles,...) are being
offered by the seller. There is a considerable risk in buying all
these parts separately due to availability or color mismatch as all is
manufactured in small lots. The seller (and buyer) knows that.
Therefore, the entire package of parts needs to be negotiated
off-line. And Gini found the key to the whole issue he

the question about what happens if I list shingles for sale and then
find out the guy who's buying the shingles also needs felt and
nails? Must I put them through Ebay?
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Yes.
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Had I known then that instead of arguing with the seller about
(not)paying via WU off-line I could have forced him back to the eBay
table and pay with visa once I notified my bank this transaction is
going down, you all could have been focusing on other more important
things in alt.house.repair, like JoeSpareBedroom's meds.

Furthermore, I now realize this was the wrong place to ask an eBay
question. I had no idea this alt.marketing.online.ebay was in
existence.

Also, I can see alt.house.repair is not the right place to ask my next
question - what eBay rule I use to force the off-line deal through
eBay auction as for a fact I know somebody will **** on my head
because I am taking them away from JoeSpareBedroom's "dancing with the
losers" saga - an appropriate topic for a Bob Villa tv show.

So that's where I am going next but I tell you this, it was no fun
getting dumped on just for asking an innocent newbie question.

Nice work. the OP gets it now and is signing off. See you in
alt.ebay.