In message , Chris J Dixon
writes
Skipweasel wrote:

In article ,
says...
and limits on steepness.

http://www.safetycenter.navy.mil/pho.../photo128p.jpg

Are they serious? Even if you had the grip, you would need a
hell of a clearance to avoid grounding!

Think about why such a photo would be part of a safetycenter's
collection...

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Si