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On Sep 18, 12:07 pm, "Paul M. Cook"
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Bout time the Iranian people spoke to the idiots in their government
then.

The problem in Iran isn't so much the government as it is the clerical
class.

Ahmadenijad has very little power in Iran, but the Ayatollah's trump
even him.

A while back there was a British journalist who went into Tehran and
it
was a bit disconcerting to me. It was one of those never think about
it
issues but it's a modern city.

More to the point, the sentiment among the people is changing. The
Ayatollah's don't hold much power over the youth in the country. So we
could see change sooner than later.

All rational assessments claim that Iran, if they wanted to, could not
produce a weapon for 5-10 years. And from what the sources who were
right
on Iraq are saying, they do not want to and there is no evidence that
they
are. What they are doing just happens to be legal as they are a
signatory
to the UN Nuclear Non-Proliferation treaty. A treaty which Israel and
India
are not signatories yet we give them nuclear technology and now even
fuel.
There is every indication that a peaceful change of government could
occur.
Don't forget that on 9-11 millions of Iranians marched in the streets of
Tehran with signs saying "we are all Americans today." Great strides
had
been taken by the moderate, pro-western, government they had at the
time.
That was all thrown into the garbage with Bush's "axis of evil" speech.
Without that speech, quite likely the moderate voices would prevail
today.
As it was all we succeeded in doing was proving that we could not be
trusted
and that is all the radicals needed to regain control.

War is coming. Of that there is no doubt. Even if the spineless
democrats
wanted to, they'd not be able to stop it. And what will come of it will
be
of global reach and will cause vast pain and misery for a long, long
time.

Paul



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So you are blaming the hatred of Jews by the Iranians on Bush's
speech? Come on! A.)

They don't hate Jews. They hate Israel for the genocide it has infliced on
the Palestinians and the US for its blanket support of Israel despite Israel
violating charter after charter regarding the treatment of the Palestinians.
That is why *all* the Arab states are anti-Israel.

"All rational assessments" = all of those you
agree with since the irrational ones, of course, are the ones with
much shorter time periods that you would rather not believe. B.)

Even our own CIA says years and not months. At the current rate of
enrichment they are years from achieving the quantity they need. Even our
own IA says there is more than enough time to work with them. And there is
every indication they want us to. The reason we have not is this: the US
has stated that before any substantive talks begin, they much give
everything up. So they have to give up their bargaining chip to begin
bargaining. You explain just how that works because I can't. Kind of like
going to Vegas and just giving the casinos all your money because you can't
win anyway.

Unfortunately, the Iranians themselves are contradicting your
statements regarding what they have and what their attentions are. I
know you would rather hide your head in the sand and hope it will all
go away, but the Iranian leadership has said many, many times that
they want to get rid of Israel.

Actually, no they have not said it in those terms. They have predicted
Israel will fall due to its own crimes against humanity They have also said
that Israel has brought it on themselves. That is not the same as them
saying they were going to wipe out Israel. They could not, they would have
to also fight the US, Britain, Australia and most of Europe who have signed
pacts to protect the country. Does Iran know this - yes they do.

Their philosophy calls for it and even
dictates their salvation in an apocalypse scenario. C.)

Israel has an estimated 60 nuclear bombs each 10 times more powerful than
the Hiroshima bomb. Who is the nuclear threat? Who can terrorize who? Do
you think Iranians are suicidal? Do you think they don't know all this?
They do. If they launch one feeble warhead, they will be literally
annihilated and they are not stupid, they know it.

Umm, are you
saying it's legal for them to make a nuclear bomb?

Every US and foreign agency in the busienss of knowing these things
including the IAEA has inspected their facilities and continues to do so and
has stated that there is no sign of any work being conducted to produce
weapons grade materials. Iran has allowed full and open inspections. These
are the same agencies that said Iraq had no nuclear program and no WMDs and
were correct. Who do you trust?

All "rational"
sources have said they are trying to get one.

Nope, exactly none. Well Bush, yes. But he's about it.

Why do you think the N.
Koreans are running around there? For the pleasant scenery? D.)

There is emerging info that N. Korea had no role in the allegations about
sales to Syria. It is looking like *all* that NK had was used up in their
botched test earlier. Which is why they are now giving it up. Why bomb
Iran and not NK? NK actually had material and technology yet we negotiated
a settlement. No oil. NK did not have oil. Just a coincidence, I am sure
that Iran - oh does.

Just
remember who elected their president in the first place.

Ahmadinajad is not a real president. He has exactly no power at all. He is
a figurehead. He gives speeches. He talks to the citizenry. He could not
start a war if he wanted to.

You've fallen for the rhetoric and the lies. Just like I am sure you did
with Iraq. Once again you are trusting the people that lied us into the
first mess and like deja vu all over again they are repeating it almost
verbatim. And it seems to be working if you are typical.

Paul