Brent wrote:

On Aug 28, 7:42 pm, "Pete C." wrote:
Brent wrote:

On Aug 28, 10:38 am, Larry Jaques
wrote:
On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 07:22:14 -0700, with neither quill nor qualm,
Brent quickly quoth:

On Aug 27, 10:27 pm, "Mike Henry" wrote:
"azotic" wrote in message

...

The article in the link is of concern to anyone with a home shop. If
you have a neighbor thats a pain in the ass now just wait till he has the
power he so desires to run your life with the full force of the law
to back him up.

http://www.coloradoan.com/apps/pbcs....070827/NEWS01/...

Best Regards
Tom.

Was there something specific in that article about home shops? If so I
missed it.

We live in a townhome in a pretty nice area and I've had zero complaints
from neighbors on any of the tools in use in my home shop, including a
medium-sized CNC mill that can make a bit of noise late evenings. The HOA
pays for outside maintenance which leaves me more time in the shop - seems
like a fair trade to me.

Mike

Its a "power corrupts" concern. You may have an excellent HOA for now
who respect your privacy but the other problem is a few bad apples on
the HOA's committee with no common sense or skills sense or an
elevated sense of danger can whittle around the rules to suppress home
shops or to allow inside searches or to eventually use helicopter to
incspect the neighbours yards.

Helicopters are already in use by city/county governments here in the
USA. I kiddingly showed the black helicopter in the field next to my
old home when that thread came up here last year. Cities are using
chopper surveilance to pick up tax evasion. Build that new shop
without a permit or tax audit? Busted!

You cant just "opt out" of the HOA and their rules can be gradually
nudged though HOA meetings where a 2/3 majority in the meeting
(Attended by less than of 10% of the homeowers) could push an unwanted
chage to most of your community.

That's scary, isn't it? The fewer the voters we get each year could
soon stink from that same effect.

Dontg et me wrorng i'm not a big fan of the abandoned car on blocks
int he front yard, and for now i'm that neighbour with the abandoned
tv thats too big for garbage pickup

Freecycle it. www.freecycle.orgBut a word of caution about that:
Our local Freecycle group just bailed from Freecycle's auspices due to
their wanting to collect email addresses and other data for some
unknown reason. We're now Rogue Valley Recyclers.

and the shipping container in need
of cleaning arriving today (But i will be getting a dumpster down here
this fall to get most of my crap out

--

According to our strength of character and our clarity of vision, we will
endure, we will succeed, we will have contributed something to make life
where we were and as we lived it better, brighter, and more beautiful.
-- Frank Lloyd Wright

Up here in canada some big cities use them at a policing level. Other
than the occasional threat of traffic enforcement what the have proven
MOST effective for if finding marijuana grow ops since the are
equipped with infrared cameras at night and the first law of
thermodynamics can often create unexplained heat signatures in places
where there shouldnt be (Why does the camera show that garage at 28C
when its only 10C outside and the house is closer to 20C.... HMMMM

They tried that in the US and the supreme court banned it.

helicopter spottign of urban grow ops?

WTF did the police do? Try and issue a search warrant because your
garage looked warm? The abnormal eat itself doesnt say or do ANYTHING
illegal

Making your property a "Location of interest" to find good old
fashioned proof is different.

The supreme court ruled that IR surveillance of a property was
sufficiently invasive (seeing through walls effectively) that a warrant
would be required. Therefore any touring around neighborhoods or flying
over them while surveiling with IR equipment was illegal. If they find a
suspect property through other legal means and get a warrant they can
then do IR surveillance and add that to their evidence.


But then again canadian police and specifically the Quebec "state
troopers" proved how silly they were when they tried going undercover
at protest and got ejected from the protest for looking like they
were instigating a riot.

Nice.