"SonomaProducts.com" wrote in message
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On Jul 31, 5:32 am, "Thomas G. Marshall"
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I'm making a simple little low table/bench for my deck, and I'm trying to
toe screw the 2x4 side rails to very heavy 4x4 legs (just leftover cedar
from my deck....I wanted a "heavy" look). I'm toe screwing from the
inside
to hopefully hide the screws entirely.

To position and countersink the screws I've been (starting with a wide
bit)
drilling at 90 degrees for a quick 1/4" depth to give me a place to hold
the
bit, and then redrilling that hole at 45 degrees for another quick 1/4"
to
make a 45 degree hole ready for the smaller bore drilling and then the
screw.

It always seems that this is a harsh way to treat the wood....no matter
how
careful I am, the bit at 45 degrees likes to much up the grain. Now this
is
hidden anyway, but...is there another way to "seat" a 45 degree toe
screw?

Jeepers I hope I explained this well enough.

As everyone else indicated the real answer is a pocket screw using a
pocket hole jig of some sort. The other option if you have a drill
press is to build a cradle to hold the rails at the right angle.

BTW, pocket holes are not at 45 degrees but more along the lines of 15
degrees so the the strength direction of the screw is more closely
aligned to the axis of the part (rail). So I think you could\should go
go for a more shallow angle.

Thanks everyone for their replies. This was hugely helpful. I had no idea
that such jigs were so inexpensive. Further, it never occurred to me that
45° was far too steep an angle. It also didn't occur to me to make my own
jig and clamp it....dunno why....makes me feel fairly stupid not having
thought of it.