On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 17:45:00 -0500, "Jim C Roberts"
jimnthem_AT_comcast_DOT_net wrote:


"Lane" lane_nospam@copperaccents_dot_com wrote in message
...
Makes you wonder what would happen if more citizens would carry. I content
that the crime rate would drop dramatically.

Lane


I believe that fact has been proven already, both down the road a piece
in Kennasaw, Ga. and some place up north.(?) What criminal in even half of
their right mind would break into a house or try to accoust(sp) someone in a
town/county/state that allows its citizens to arm themselves?

OK, I'll let the genie out of the lamp and go ahead and ask Gunner what
his deal is with Getz? Like of dislike? I can barely remember his deal,
shot 3 or 4 thugs that were trying to rob him on a NYC subway, right? Don't
remember if he got any time, though.

Regards,
Jim

Ive never mentioned him.

However..this being NYC, another suckhole in the fabric of the
universe...

http://www.heroism.org/class/1980/goetz.htm
BERNARD GOETZ

On December 22, 1984, Bernard Goetz, otherwise known as the "subway
vigilante," shot four young men in a Manhattan subway car after he said
the men threatened him and tried to rob him.

The shooting became a national sensation, as many subway riders,
concerned about subway muggings, applauded Goetz's actions. But others
criticized Goetz as a racist because the four young men were
African-American.

Three years after the shooting, Goetz, a 39-year-old electronics
specialist, was acquitted of attempted murder and assault, but was
convicted of criminal possession of an unlicensed weapon and spent 250
days in jail.

Goetz said he started firing because he thought the four men were about
to rob him. Many suspected however, that Goetz acted as an "avenging
angel" because he had been mugged twice before. The youths said they
were panhandling money to play video games when they asked him for $5,
not trying to rob him.

One of the four men, Darrell Cabey, was paralyzed in the shooting. In
reaction to a $50 million lawauit filed by Cabey's familiy, Goetz said
in a December 20, 1994 Toronto Star article, "If you're injured,
paralyzed or whatever while committing a violent crime against me,
that's not my fault."

After the verdict, Goetz' lawyer Barry Slotnick said, "I think the true
message is that people have a right to protect and defend themselves
under justifiable situations." Goetz said he wants to "go back to being
an anonymous stranger in New York," said Slotnick in a June 17, 1987
Toronto Star article.

Supporters and critics argued outside the courthouse immediately after
the verdict. Anti-Goetz demonstrators chased his car, shouting, "Goetz
is an oppressor, murder no more." Another man carried a sign,
"Criminals, think twice or we will Goetz you."

11 years later Cabey sued Goetz in a civil action and won, being awarded
$43 million in damages. Goetz filed for bankrupcy and later ran for
Mayor of NYC on the Vegitarian Ticket...G
In 1997 Goetz was reported "alive and well" and living in Massachusetts.

Gunner


The two highest achievements of the human mind are the twin concepts of "loyalty" and "duty."
Whenever these twin concepts fall into disrepute -- get out of there fast! You may possibly
save yourself, but it is too late to save that society. It is doomed. " Lazarus Long