On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 14:13:42 GMT, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:

"Gunner" wrote in message
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On Thu, 11 Mar 2004 21:40:34 GMT, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:

Folks that just read the local paper are not getting the full story.
We're lucky that, outside of burglaries, they seem to prefer going
after
each other. So far...

Jon

There is a time and circumstance to revert to defending yourself with a
gun.
Making it a cause celeb, a way of life, or a way to assert your
resentment
about crime and its effects is a case of having forfeited the whole
point.
As George Will once said, "...no society can be called successful where
violence is so prevalent and random that lawful citizens must go about
prepared to dispense violence in self-defense."

If you've given up on the idea of a successful society, or if you like
things the way they are, then making self-defense with a gun an
acceptable
and unremarkable part of your life is a reasonable response. If you
haven't
given up, it's something you do with great distaste and with a
determination
to do what you can to change it.

Ed Huntress

So having a spare tire and a jack in your car means that you dispair of
having good tires?

That's what Will was talking about. Comparing human lives to tires is
evidence of a spiritual failure.

Ed Huntress

The inability to follow the logic of "in case **** happens" is either a
blind spot on your part, or an intentional attempt at spin.

Where the **** did you get "comparing human lives to tires" out of that?
You carry a jack in case you blow out a tire. You carry a weapon in
case someone decides to attack you. With luck, neither will ever be
used.

If your vehicle is parked or driven very slowly on a manicured parking
lot..its unlikley you will ever get a blow out. If you live in a high
security gated community its unlikely anyone will attack you.

Its the rest of the places you go that are a bit more problematic.
Drive near a construction site..the chances of a flat are a lot higher.
Work/travel in a high crime rate area..the chances of an attack are a
lot higher.

Whats do difficult for you to understand about that?

Gunner

The two highest achievements of the human mind are the twin concepts of "loyalty" and "duty."
Whenever these twin concepts fall into disrepute -- get out of there fast! You may possibly
save yourself, but it is too late to save that society. It is doomed. " Lazarus Long