On Apr 5, 12:08 pm, Bud-- wrote:
In a thread a few days ago 2 people looked at online sites and found:
Lowes had NO 'whole house' suppressors.
Home Depot had no 'whole house' suppressors near $50. The 2 suppressors
available had no specs available from Home Depot or the manufacturer.

Both the IEEE and NIST say plug-in suppressors are effective.

Bud knows because he saw it on the web. 'Whole house' protectors
from responsible manufacturers have sold in Lowes and Home Depot for
less than $50 for years now. Bud knows that cannot be true because he
did not see it on the web. If he actually did this stuff, then he
might discover 'whole house' protectors - some selling for less than
$50. But that would harm sales of ineffective plug-in protectors.
Easier is to lie and deny.

How ineffective? Bud's various IEEE and NIST citations state a
protector must connect to ground. Protectors work by grounding
surges:
You cannot really suppress a surge altogether, nor
"arrest" it. What these protective devices do is
neither suppress nor arrest a surge, but simply
divert it to ground, where it can do no harm.

Bud admits his protectors have no ground. So he denies earthing is
necessary. What do IEEE Standards (IEEE Red Book, Emerald Book, etc)
repeatedly define necessary? Earthing. What happens when earth
ground is too far away? Page 42 Figure 8 shows a protector earthing
a surge - 8000 volts destructively - via an adjacent TV. Bud says
this damage will not happen with $2000 or $3000 more protectors for
virtually every household appliance. $50 for one properly sized 'whole
house' protector or $3000 that may also create those scary pictures.

Spend many thousands of dollars and still suffer surge damage
because a kid connects his Xbox to a TV? Yes, that is what Bud called
effective protection.

Bud ignores Page 42 Figure 8 from his own citation. His own
citations shows damage to household appliance created by the plug-in
protector

Another of his citations say:
Conclusion:
1) Quantitative measurements in the Upside-Down house clearly
show objectionable difference in reference voltages. These occur
even when or perhaps because, surge protective devices are
present at the point of connection of appliances.

Informed consumers install what is also standard where direct
lightning strikes routinely do no damage. They earth. One 'whole
house' protector earths for ALL household appliances. Protector not
located on flammable rugs or desktops that would do this - the scary
pictures:
http://www.hanford.gov/rl/?page=556&parent=554
http://www.westwhitelandfire.com/Art...Protectors.pdf
http://www.ddxg.net/old/surge_protectors.htm
http://www.zerosurge.com/HTML/movs.html

No earth ground means no effective protection. But if a plug-in
protector cost more money, then it must work better - to enrich plug-
in manufacturers. And so the troll Bud who follows me everywhere will
post more denials. Cites are quotes from his own citations. Even his
own citations say earthing is necessary. To promote profitable plug-
in protectors, Bud must even deny 'whole house' protectors in Lowes
and Home Depot for less than $50.