Aidan wrote:
On Nov 30, 11:15 pm, "Phil L" wrote:


Wow.People are often astounded at flueless gas fires, especially
with all the
hype surrounding carbon monoxide over the past few years, often with
unfounded fears...this particular model utilises a 'catalytic
system', but even without it, they are completely safe.

An interesting opinion, Phil.
Wasn't it you that told a poster that they had 30 psi gas pressure?

I said 2bar, which is what the gas is at the mains side of the meter, in
many areas, certainly mine because I know several people who work for
Transco.

If you want to know what the Corgi bunch think of them, read this;

http://www.screwfix.com/talk/thread....7473&tstart=45


Edited highlights;
Slide; "The catalytic converters only last so long, and people are
unlikely to get them replaced when they are spent. This means they
lose the ability to convert CO into CO2, and start killing people."

ARGI via Letchworth; "The investigation of a considerable body of
evidence by members of ARGI has identified a number of serious
'safety' concerns including the lack of a British Standard governing
the construction and installation of flueless gas fire appliances. It
has therefore been decided to advise ARGI members not to become
involved in the specifying, installation or repair/maintenance of
these appliances until these concerns have been resolved and an
acceptable standard has been written. For further information please
contact ARGI through the Secretary, details are listed below."


This is where you're going wrong, I don't care what the 'Corgi bunch' have
to say about them, the manufacturers make them to fit in with current
regulations, which they do, if people are too stupid to fit them correctly
or use them according to instructions then that's up to them, but don't
blame the fire manufacturer for other people's stupidity.

A Corgi registered fitter (although not registered for gas fires) was
recently convicted and imprisoned for manslaughter after incorrectly
fitting a new faulty flueless gas fire. The DIYers buying fires at the
sheds are playing with fire, so to speak.


They should be banned, on efficiency grounds as well as on safety
grounds.

They are incredibly efficient, no chimney to take away 75% of the heat you
see.