Note Followups. Readers in alt.politcs are encourage to read the
precedent article in, absurdly rec.woodworking.

Tim Daneliuk wrote:
Robatoy wrote:
...

October 5 is going to be a big day. God bless all my American friends!

http://www.worldcantwait.org/

...and NO.. I am not some kinda 'lefty', in fact the opposite is
true...but enough is enough.

r

(I seldom voice my political views, here, or anywhere else...but for
**** sakes WAKE UP!!!)


Here we go again. From the web site (my comments indented):

YOUR GOVERNMENT, on the basis of outrageous lies, is waging a murderous
and utterly illegitimate war in Iraq, with other countries in their
sights.

Along with the governments of the UK, Italy, & Russia who all agreed
in the early going that the threat was real. "Outrageous lies"
is at the very least a vast overstatement and at worst an outrageous
lie in its own right. A mistake, perhaps.

No one claimed that Bush was the ONLY liar.

However, do you know any other country that claimed the
81 mm Medusa missile tubes were inteded, or even suitable
for cetrifuges?

Do you know any other country that claimed the Iraq-Niger emails
were genuine?

But then again,
the dictator in question *did* have a rather spotty human rights
and weapons history. It was understandable that most of the
Grownups thought he might just be a teensy threat.

Only the 'Grownups' who ignored the condition of the Iraqi army,
and the destruction of the Iraqi WMD facilites and stockpiles.

But, heck, who
cares about killing a few oddball Kurds anyway? They never vote
for Progressive Causes (tm) and are of no use to the New American
Intellectual.

Some of us were aware that the Kurds had achieved autonomy under
our protection.


YOUR GOVERNMENT is openly torturing people, and justifying it.

"Openly"? Really? Where's the video? Can I buy tickets? ...

Rules of evidecne that accept evidence esttracted under torture
condone torture. Promulgating those rules promotes torture.
The administrations opposition to anti-torture legislation that
would enforce basic moral values, as well as our treaty obligations
demonstrates that the governent has tortured and intends to
torture people.

You're right, they're not _open_ about it. Bush SAYS we never
tortured and never will. But his actions tell us the truth.


YOUR GOVERNMENT puts people in jail on the merest suspicion, refusing
them lawyers, and either holding them indefinitely or deporting them in
the dead of night.

The "people" in question are foreign invaders who do not wear uniforms
and are thus legally spies.

You know this how, exactly?

When our government does these things
to its own citizens, as it did in the Padilla case, I am 100% opposed
to them. But when it drops the hammer on foreign fighters, I applaud
the action. Spies are not entitled to the same protections a uniformed
combatant is. This has always been the case and remains so today,
notwithstanding the Drooly Craven commentary above. Personally, I'd
prefer that such foreign spies be hanged nightly for all to see - and
then have their remains fed to feral pigs so they can spend eternity
as pig feces ... but that's just me.

Until the USSC ruled, the Bush administration denied POW status and
1949 GC III protections to Taliban fighters who DID fight in uniform.

Denial of _some_ of the GC protections are permitted, only on a
case-by-case basis after a competent court or tribunal has found
that the person in question is not so entitled. Collective punishments
are strictly prohibitted. No person imprisoned at Guantanamo Bay
has received a hearing before a competent court or tribunal.

But do not forget, only a minority of the prisoners are Guantanamo
Bay are captured combatants. The overwhelming majority were
arrested in Pakistan, other countries, or were turned over to the
US by Afghans, many for rewards.

What evidence have you seen that ANY of those ever bore arms
against anyone?


YOUR GOVERNMENT is moving each day closer to a theocracy, where a narrow
and hateful brand of Christian fundamentalism will rule.

Sure it is. That's why Islamists enjoy as good or better freedom
of expression and faith here as they do anywhere else in the world.
Ditto, Catholics, Scientologists, Pagans, Atheists, and Wiccans...

That is NOT because the use is moving each day closer to a theocracy,
where a narrow and hateful brand of Christian fundamentalism will rule.
That is because those backsliders have been held in check.


YOUR GOVERNMENT suppresses the science that doesn't fit its religious,
political and economic agenda, forcing present and future generations to
pay a terrible price.

Because we all know that science is a matter of popular opinion
first, and if everyone is scared enough of, say, so-called Global
Warming, we should all rush out to adjust policy accordingly,
notwithstanding the considerable debate *within* the scientific
community. ...

I have seen no evidence that the edits demanded by the Bush
administration are motivated by popular opinion or debate within
the scientific community.



YOUR GOVERNMENT is moving to deny women here, and all over the world,
the right to birth control and abortion.

Right on! ...

No need to commnet.



YOUR GOVERNMENT enforces a culture of greed, bigotry, intolerance and
ignorance.

Right again. My government is so much worse than the enlightened
Islamic world that murders Christians, abuses women, engages in
African slave trade, keeps people in abject poverty and disease
by promising them heavenly rewards. ...

There are worse governments than ours. Ours is much better than
the governments of Russia, China, Vietnam, Egypt, and a host of
others. Bush is a better man than bin Laden, Saddam Hussein, or
Hitler.

For some of us, that's not good enough.

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FF