On Wed, 06 Sep 2006 23:09:20 GMT, "Leon"
wrote:

More garbage. First you say" Delta" admitted to a "torque process or
specification problem" after blaming the shippers for many years. OK
who in Delta admitted it? You mention Charlie Self? When did he work
for Delta at the factory. Then you say you read it somewhere. Where?
On this unmoderated usenet news group?

That is my only beef. What you say is just not true. Trunnions broke,
but not from a torque process or spec problem.

You posted several years ago and several times in between. the last
time I respectfully protested and posted the truth. But for some
reason you keep reposting this erroneous information. I can't imagine
why.

Frank


"Frank Boettcher" wrote in message
news

Call Delta? Call who in Delta? I ran the factory that you are
accusing of a bad torque parctice and are posting on this site that
Delta told you that. Who in Delta told you that? If there was a
problem with the torque practice or specification, I would have been
the one to report it as I did many other problems that occurred during
my tenure.

If you ran the factory then this should not be news to you unless you ran
the factory before the problems started or simply went with an internal
degree of defect acceptability.
I have absolutely no reason to fabricate this information and no reason to
do ill will towards Delta.


This went on for several years before Delta
quit blaming the shipping company and admitted responsibility.

Product was ISTA transit tested. Do you know what that means? It
means it has to pass a series of tests that simulate extreme but
normal handling in shipping. Tests like inclined ramp, straight drop,
and truck vibration tests. Pack passed without incident.

I do not know what it means and from a consumers point of view it means
squat. Delta has and or had a trunion breakage problem while others did
not. Call it what you want.
Perhaps the Deltas just cannot take the abuse that its competition can.
Perhaps that is why more and more Delta tools are being built outside the
US. If the tool cannot make it to market with out a particular damage
perhaps it is a package problem also. That is what I suspected until I read
that it was a manufacturing problem. In the beginning I was giving Delta
the benefit of reasonable doubt.

And again I am not saying that Delta is a bad product. I have worked on a
Delta Unisaw and it is top notch but the fact remains that the Unisaws in
the last 10 or so years have not had as good of a track record getting to
the stores and customers undamaged.


There is no doubt trunions were broken. It came from tipovers onto
the front edge of the table sliding off forks. That is not normal
handling. And neither you nor I have any meaningful statistics on the
other the competitors saws shipping damage rates.

Meaningful information to me is reading about complaints. I have heard of
no trunion problems from other manufacturers. The fact that you are
admiting that there were no doubts of broken trunions says something. Can
you bring up instances where another manufacturer have had this particular
inherent problem?
And, why did this become a problem in the last 10 years or so, did the
shipping company just decide to pick on Delta?


And it is Delta's responsibility to the customer, regardless of the
bad handling practices by the shipper, and every customer who was
affected was made whole or offered the opportunity to be made whole.

No doubt as any other manufacturer will, however 6 years ago when I looked
at a Delta on the show room floor with a broken trunion the salesman
indicated that the saw had been like that for months. Was Delta not
interested in making the repair in a timely mannor or did Delta simply not
have enough spare trunions to go around?


Your purchase choice is your choice, but I resent you continuing to
post, as you have for years, that the "factory" was not properly
torquing the units and that was causing broken trunnions. It is not
true and it is an insult to the many fine people who built those
machines.

Resent it all you want but until a change is or was made in the manfacturing
process the problem continued. If the factory ignored the obvious, read
that as the company with broken trunion problems, then perhaps an insult is
in order if that is the way want to read that. If it smells like a fish,
looks like a fish, or tastes like a fish, it must be a f....
You might as well also focus your looking the other way on others here as
many have witnessed a decline in the quality of Delta equipment and that was
going on before loosing the prevlidge of building Delta machinery to Tiawan.