On 8 Dec 2003 19:20:55 -0800, (Carl
Nisarel) wrote:

Gunner wrote

On 8 Dec 2003 09:44:46 -0800, (Carl
Nisarel) wrote:

Gunner wrote ..

The link below is a pretty decent report on the bogus data or spin put
on any gun study.

http://reason.com/9704/fe.cdc.shtml

It's the typical BS from Don Kates.

The authors use the typical gunner lies.

They wrote about Kellerman: "Consider a 1993 New England Journal of
Medicine study that, according to press reports, "showed that keeping
a gun in the home nearly triples the likelihood that someone in the
household will be slain there." This claim cannot be verified because
Kellerman will not release the data."

Kellerman's data was released and is easy to find.
http://www.icpsr.umich.edu/cgi/archive.prl?study=6898

And easily refuted

Kates' assertion cannot be 'refuted' since it is false.

That fact whizzed right over your head.

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Unlike Kellerman, Kleck's award-winning study has been peer-reviewed."

Kellerman's studies were peer-reviewed.

And found incorrect.



A typical comment from a criminalogist about Kellerman:

" Date: Wed, 20 Oct 1999 12:09:16 -0600 From: Rick Lowe

Rick Lowe is in law enforcement and only has undergraduate degrees. He
is neither qualified nor trained to evaluate research.


LOL...and you?
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You're mindlessly repeating another gunner lie.

Just cant handle the refutation of your whole mindset can you?

I'm fine, you're an idiot.

Spoken like a true useful idiot.


You just mindlessly parrot what other people have written and don't
even realize that what they wrote is false.

So far..Im batting 300..and you? Strike Out!
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Let's watch how you handle it since I just demonstrated that Kates
lied in the article.

Here's another one that you can't handle:
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Wiebe, D. 2003. "Injury Prevention Homicide and suicide risks
associated with firearms in the home: A national case-control study,"
Annals of Emergency Medicine, 41:781-781.

http://www.locksley.com/6696/guns2.htm

There's nothing in there that refutes Wiebe's research.

Cites?

At this point..you may well want to fold up your tent and move on to
more receptive pastures.

The 'receptive pastures' are right here. You're an easy target and
it's entertaining to make you look like a fool.

You entertain easily. You into S&M I take it? So far the beating has
all been on you. Hire a Dominatrix..she will hurt you just the way
you want it.

Sarah really isnt getting her moneys worth

Gunner

No 220-pound thug can threaten the well-being or dignity of a 110-pound
woman who has two pounds of iron to even things out. Is that evil?
Is that wrong? People who object to weapons aren't abolishing violence,
they're begging for the rule of brute force, when the biggest, strongest
animals among men were always automatically "right". Guns end that,
and social democracy is a hollow farce without an armed populace to make
it work.
- L. Neil Smith