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"Such is the complacency these great men have for the smiles of their prince
that they will gratify every desire of ambition and power at the expense of
truth, reason, and their country."

- John Dickinson, 1771 -

"Gunner" wrote in message
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On 8 Dec 2003 09:44:46 -0800, (Carl

Kellerman's data was released and is easy to find.
http://www.icpsr.umich.edu/cgi/archive.prl?study=6898

And easily refuted

http://www.joepierre.com/Kellerman.htm

"Fifty out of 5,000 people responded that they had used handguns in an
actual confrontation against another human attempting a crime. In 47.2
percent of the cases, the criminal was armed. About one in six were armed
with a firearm, the rest with knives, clubs or some other weapon. In 73.4
percent of these gun-defense incidents, the attacker was a stranger to the
intended victims. Defenses against a family member or intimate were
rare--well under 10 percent. This disproves the Kellerman myth that a gun
kept for defense will most likely be used against a family member or someone
you love."

This is the level of "refutation" in the above cite.

I'll leave the logical fallacies and lack of statistical relevance to the
reader...

One really ought to READ the material one cites, or at least point out some
of the known shortcomings of the material, if one expects to be taken as
an honest person...

Given the above, it is hard to give credence to anything else in the
piece.

Can you say "bias?"

Dan