On 8 Dec 2003 06:47:20 -0800, (Carl
Nisarel) wrote:

Gunner wrote ...


Did he lie IN his research,(which has been backed up by Kleck,

This is what Kleck thinks about Lott's MGLC research:

"more likely the declines in crime coinciding with relaxation of carry
laws were largely attributable to other factors not controlled in the
Lott and Mustard analysis."


Nice cut and paste out of context.

- Kleck G. Targeting Guns: Firearms and Their Control. New York, NY:
Aldine de Gruyter; 1997.

Kleck has never produced any research that 'backs up' Lott.

http://www.rdfrost.com/Reference/RKBA/Kleck.html
http://www.gunsandcrime.org/dgufreq.html

"222 of the 4799 respondents reported having at least one DGU in their
household in the past 5 years. After correcting for oversampling in
some regions, this figure drops to 66 personal accounts of DGUs in the
preceding year, indicating that 1.326 percent of adults nationwide had
experienced at least one DGU. When multiplied by 1.478, the average
number of DGUs reported per DGU claimant for the preceding year, and
by the total adult population, an estimate of 2.55 million DGUs per
year was arrived at.

However, Kleck reviewed the record associated with each reported DGU
and flagged every report for which: (1)it was not clear if the
respondent had actually confronted the perpetrator; (2)the respondent
was a police officer, soldier, or security guard; (3)the interviewer
had not properly recorded exactly what the respondent had done with
the gun, so it was not certain that the respondent had actually used
the gun; or, (4)the record did not state a specific crime the
respondent thought was being committed.

When all such cases were eliminated, the results were 1.125 percent of
adults had used guns defensively an average of 1.472 times each, for a
total of 2.16 million DGUs per year. This, then is the K-G
conservative estimate of annual DGUs. So, rather than saying that K-G
found that there are 2.5 million DGUs per year, we should say that
there are up to 2.5 million, or be more conservative and say something
like over 2 million."
http://www.guncite.com/gcdgklec.html



So Churl..if you dont like Lott's study...we can simply go with
Klecks. Ok with you?

Laugh laugh laugh


Gunner

No 220-pound thug can threaten the well-being or dignity of a 110-pound
woman who has two pounds of iron to even things out. Is that evil?
Is that wrong? People who object to weapons aren't abolishing violence,
they're begging for the rule of brute force, when the biggest, strongest
animals among men were always automatically "right". Guns end that,
and social democracy is a hollow farce without an armed populace to make
it work.
- L. Neil Smith