"J. Clarke" wrote in message
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Tim Taylor wrote:


"Upscale" wrote in message
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"J. Clarke" wrote in message

And this is an issue because? You can buy a kit specifically for the
purpose of upgrading internal laptop hard disks at Best Buy for under
$200,
including the disk.

And most likely void any existing warranty? Try again.

Then use a non-semi-proprietary OS that recognizes all hardware fully.
XP
Pro full boat retail costs 300 bucks, and nobody in his right mind pays
list for it. You're out the door for 500, worst-case, which is the
same
as
the cost of the extended warranty. Since you're buying a drive anyway
you
qualify for OEM pricing, so that's more like $150 for the OS.

Doesn't work that way. I put in a number of years doing technical
support
for IBM in their Thinkpad department. Even though it was Windows OS,
some
of
the hardware at IBM is always proprietary (including hard drives) as are
changes to the OS in contract with Microsoft. Dell is exactly the same.
There aren't any other OS' with all the proper drivers. That among other
reasons are why companies like IBM and DELL are able to stay in
business,
at
least in this particular type of computer section. In most repects,
you're forced to buy their products to keep something working properly.

Outside the US, perhaps. United States Code, Title 15, Chapter 501,
Section
2302, starting at paragraph (c), states:

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Try investigating a little more. When I worked Thinkpad, it was
technical
support for the continental USA. Not Canada, not overseas, just the USA.
The
OS as I stated above, had plenty of proprietary code in it. You quote
all
the legal rhetoric you want, but my experience tells me what *was*, not
what
you've read that it should be.

And if one out of ten machines needs data recovery they can spend 5000
bucks
on the recovery and still break even. If you check pricing, you'll
find
that 5000 bucks is at the high end of what a single-drive
standard-priority
data recovery will cost. For 500 bucks on a typical laptop I'd expect
something beyond replacing the drive.

And you'd be very, very wrong. Try calling a professional data recovery
centre and ask them about charges for an entire hard drive ~ even a
relatively small one, say a forty gigger. Ask them what it would cost
and
come back here to tell me that I'm wrong. I challenge you to ask around
and
find ONE person has has demanded and received data recovery for any
reason!
Not the reloading of the OS, but the recovery of personally loaded
information.

Now if it also includes broken-screen coverage it's probably
reasonable.

Not a chance in hell. Sorry, but you're delusional if you think that
*ANYBODY* is going to offer information recovery on a retail purchase.
It
would set a very dangerous and costly precedent and then everybody would
demand it. I've had salesmen screaming their heads off that they're
going
to
sue IBM for everything they've got. Not once did we ever pay for data
recovery. Warranties are limited to replacement of hardware, not to any
type
of information that's been loaded or saved by the user. It's the user's
responsibility to back up any personal information in case of drive
failure.
Just the fact that you're suggesting it tells me you have absolutely no
experience in this area.

A great many users of Thinkpads are sales people, business people and
the
working person. Although prices have come down in recent years, the
higher end laptops are greatly purchased by professionals, the ones that
can afford
to spend that kind of money. Everyday, I had people calling for a
walkthrough with the recovery CD. How many experience the loss of the OS
at
one time or another? I'd guestimate at better than 50%. It happens to
everybody at one time or another. Everybody loads programs that aren't
supported by the manufacturer, programs that screw up some settings or
they
get a virus or whatever, it happens to everyone.

I suspect that you're going to try to tell me that it's Dell laptops
we're talking about, not Thinkpads, but it's the same industry, just a
different name. Like I said, you call one or two data recovery centres
and then tell me what they told you. I'll take you at your word.



I was going the data recover route once and your right. It was going to
cost right at 4 grand and then no guarantee that they could fully recover
the data.

There's never a guarantee. But what does it costing 4 grand have to do
with
anything? Are you saying that the failure rate on Dell drives is in
excess
of 10 percent?

I don't remember the name of the place, but it was out in
Denver. I had some data on my Dell that I really needed, but not to the
tune of 4 grand. And being a crap shoot on top of that??? Dell laughed at
me when I asked them about recovery.

--
--John
to email, dial "usenet" and validate
(was jclarke at eye bee em dot net)

No, I'm not saying anything about the failure rates, but the way I was
reading it, the extra 500 bucks warranty you, or somebody, was talking about
should have included recover. I may be wrong. I've got nothing against Dell,
but I didn't buy another one when that one took a dump. I can get crappy
support from any of them. Backing out now.