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Brian G wrote:
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Brian G wrote:
The3rd Earl Of Derby wrote:
Brian G wrote:
Grumps wrote:
Hi All

I read an article saying that copper will resist corrosion if laid
in a portland based concrete or mortar. Could someone explain why,
and what is the alternative to portland that WOULD corrode copper?
(Sorry, my knowledge of chemistry never was a strong point).
Ta.

Grumps,

Don't lay copper pipes in concrete full-stop. They will eventually
corrode even if plastic sleeved. Where the pipes are joined (and
there will be joins), you will find it difficult to seal and the
'fat' of the concrete will find its way onto the pipe causing the
said corrosion.

There is a small council housing estate near to where I live with
the CH pipes buried in the concrete and after about 10 years, these
started to leak causing me to have a few grey hairs in trying to
sort it out - the only cure was to re-pipe all the systems above
floor level. BTW, most cements used in these conditions are OPC
(Ordinary Portland Cement)

If you MUST lay pipes in concrete, consider using plastic - if want
my opinion - don't even do that!

Brian G

This has been asked sometime ago, however I used to live on a
housing estate 35 years ago and to this day the pipes are still
buried in the concrete...Gas copper pipe I might add. (Mothers
House)

All I can say is what I experienced on this particular site. The
houses were built in the 70 - 80's and are of a No-Fine concrete
construction with a standard concrete base with a 2" screed/tiled
finish with the plastic sleeved copper pipes buried between the both.

The problems first arose around the end of the 80's with damp patches
showing on the floor in just one house. When the pipes were exposed,
corrosion was found around the area of the pipes that were joined
using end-feed soldered fittings which had NOT been very well
protected after this was done.

So what you are actually saying is that the pipes weren't protected.
We all agree that unprotected pipes will corrode. I think your story
says more about the competence of the original builders than the
longevity of copper pipe.

MBQ

No I am NOT saying that the pipes were not protected - please re-read the
whole thread.

What I said was that where the pipes had been joined, the joint area was NOT
VERY WELL protected after the soldering - and along with the softening of

I think you are splitting hairs over the degree of protection.

MBQ