On Sat, 04 Oct 2003 18:15:47 GMT, "Bob Swinney"
wrote:

Gunner,
I thought your post was quite nice. It answered some questions I had on the
subject(s). On the other hand, I am probably not quite as sophisticated as
some other posters on RCM, so don't take too much pride in my endorsement.

Bob Swinney

Bob..on the Grand Scale of things, Id much rather have your criticism
or approval on any subject, than 10 of the more "Sophisticated" here.

Regards

Gunner

"Gunner" wrote in message
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On Sat, 04 Oct 2003 09:22:10 +0100, timleech
wrote:

On Sat, 04 Oct 2003 07:43:08 GMT, Gunner
wrote:

On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 21:17:29 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:

Metalworking content?
Nil
OT flag?
None

Plonker
Yes!

Gosh oh gee willikers Mr Tim. I seemed to have missed your outrage on
the Silly Putty thread. Please repost. Now..if you are so Urban, or
so arrogant that you are unable to understand that quite a number of
posters here, may indeed use White Gas, Coleman Fuel or Unleaded
Gasoline in verious TOOLS, such as lanterns, heaters, and stoves (all
made of metal btw), I pity you.

I wonder if others feel the same way as you do, that this post has no
redeeming values on this newsgroup. Would you care to ask the
question? Hummmm?


Cleaned up for clarity....just to spite your sorry ass.....


White Gas, Coleman Fuel, and Unleaded Gasoline © 1995 E.
Michael Smith

These fuels are all related in that all of them are of
similar boiling points and are distilled from petroleum from
the same 'cut'. Gasoline is more broad in the 'cut' and has
a wider range of materials in it. It also has additives that
make it store less well. Coleman Fuel is a particular brand
of the more generic product, white gas. White gas is
gasoline without the additives in it yet, and may or may not
be a broad cut like regular gasoline.

They all have some very nice properties as a storage
fuel. They also have some profound differences.

Coleman fuel doesn't age and varnish up the way gasoline
does. White gas is not as clean a cut as Coleman Fuel, but
I've not done long duration storage tests on it. It might,
or might not, store as well. I've used several year old
Coleman fuel with no problems at all. Gasoline more than 1
year old is marginal. Store it for a couple of years and it
will smell of varnish and have odd deposits on the bottom of
the can.

All of these fuels are of a moderately high vapor
pressure, so they can puff up cans in a hot trunk. Gasoline
does this more, since it has more 'light' hydrocarbons. In
some cold climates, these can even include Butane! You will
need a fuel bottle that can take some internal pressure if
you intend to store gasoline or white gas fuels in a hot car
trunk. I've done a multi year test with Coleman Fuel in a
Sigg fuel bottle in a Honda. It worked well. I've not tested
Unleaded in similar circumstances. If you do store gasoline,
use summer gas. It has a higher boiling point and less light
hydrocarbons.

These fuels burn very cleanly. They are easy to light.
They evaporate readily, so spills are to some extent self
policing. The fuels are cheap, and readily available.
Unleaded gasoline is about the most commonly available fuel
you could want. Stoves and lanterns to use them are
available from many manufacturers just about everywhere.

So why not just use gasolines or Coleman Fuel as your
camping and preparedness fuel of choice?

Why not, indeed. It would be a reasonable choice for
most people. The stoves and lanterns do require pumping,
which some folks find a bother. They must be refilled with a
liquid, so you have a chance for leakage and spillage.
Getting them lit when cold can take a while and does require
a bit of a knack, especially for the lanterns. (You wait and
wait and just about when fear has led you to believe that
the lantern will blow up any minute, the gas finally reaches
the mantle and lights, often with a startling POOF!) For
folks with no or little mechanical aptitude, Propane or
Butane are better choices.

If you have low availability of unleaded gasoline (such
as someone living in a country where leaded gasoline still
is the most common) or want a safer fuel in storage and
don't mind the esthetics of use quite as much, then Kerosene
is a good choice.

For most folks, though, Unleaded or White Gas is the
fuel of choice, and Coleman Fuel is just about the best
brand.

Once per year, about August, I cycle my stored gasoline.
The old stuff gets dumped into the car (easy with a gas car,
a bit trickier but still doable with a Diesel car). Then I
buy a new fresh 5 gallons worth for the next year. The gas,
being above the 2 gallon limit imposed by my home insurance
for garage storage, goes into a detached shed away from the
house. Check your insurance limits for flammables
restrictions.

On a general use basis, I use Coleman Fuel. When fishing
or camping, the clean burning of it, the lower smell, and
the general convenience of a fuel that treats my appliances
well is worth the added cost to me. In an emergency, I'd use
my stored gasoline. There are an increasing number of stoves
these days that can burn your choice of {unleaded, white
gas, kerosene}, so the issue of which fuel to choose for
storage is a bit less coupled to stove choice.

If you have a gasoline car, I'd opt for Unleaded
Gasoline and a 'Dual Fuel' stove/lantern that uses unleaded
and improve the storage system by putting the fuel in an
insulated container like an ice chest (sans ice). The goal
is to cut the peak temperature experienced by the stored
fuel. The insulation of the ice chest would help do this.

Coleman fuel is my emergency stove and lantern storage
fuel of choice for all things other than my present car,
where I use Kerosene, since I can run my Diesel on that in a
pinch. For the average person driving a gasoline car, I'd
use Unleaded gasoline in a Sigg or MSR type fuel bottle and
appliances made for white gas/Coleman Fuel/Unleaded.

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