On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 18:32:08 GMT, Gunner
wrote:

On Fri, 18 Nov 2005 11:11:55 -0600, F. George McDuffee
wrote:


History shows us that even when a 'government' is reformed
[always imposed from the outside] the cure is frequently worse
than the disease, at least in the short term. Examples are the
French and Russian 'corrections' that were hijacked by the most
radical elements and National Socialist Germany where the
'intervention' was stage managed by the NSDAP.

It can be worse, or it can be better. Do you think modern day Germany
and Japan are better or worse then before the opening days of WW2?

I think we can safely say there was some outside intervention with
both those countries.......

Gunner
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These were more of involuntary commitments to a mental
institution and forced EC [shock] therapy and/or prefrontal
lobotomy by threatened neighbors than self-correction.

When I referred to outside intervention I meant outside the
government but still from within the state.

Governments are in the position of a junky with all the blow they
could ever snort. They have no see no reason to reform and when
they do [for example when their nose falls off] it is too late.

You and I can be shoveling "stuff" against the tide, in that the
"state" as we knew it is "withering away" in the "brave new world
order," just as the medieval baronies, dukedoms, etc. did with
the introduction of the new systems of societal organization such
as mercantealism and then capitalism.

I don't think this is the case, but rather the mover and shakers
selling what they don't own for an immediate and personal profit.