On Wed, 09 Nov 2005 01:37:13 -0600, Don Foreman
wrote:

On Tue, 08 Nov 2005 18:27:37 GMT, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Tue, 8 Nov 2005 12:04:26 -0500, "Proctologically Violated©®"
wrote:

Awl--

Jes wunnerin--

In the new litany of home shows (which, if ever there were sleight-of-hand,
these are proly it--as bad as weight loss/fitness infomercials??), I see
everybody mig'ing away, incl. female pixies.
Even on the ng's, I see little reference to stick, and mig has seem to have
excluded stick even in HD/Sears, and gotten so cheap--not too long ago it
was really big bucks
.
The trades (the SEJW crowd) I would imagine still stick weld, but it seems
that mig's abilities have really grown to handle stick-type
one'sies/two'sies tack-weld/out-of-position type stuff.
Opinions?
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Mr. P.V.'d
formerly Droll Troll

Pretty much. I modified my trailer this weekend, and used both stick
and mig. Stick on the parts that were big, clunky and needed some deep
penetration/holding power. Mig got the other 80%

Gunner

Ya go with what you're confident with, it's good to understand your
compentencies.

Penetration is a fallacy, (phallusy?). Ernie has agreed with that
view. Fusion is fusion, metal is metal, a puddle is a puddle.
Penetration is important only if the joint situation precludes
full-depth access, as in a flush butt joint in thick material.

I've never encountered a sit like that, but I agree that I'd go with
an aggressive stick like 6010 or 6011 if faced with that problem.
I wouldn't trust that weld overly much.
I'd much rather do a little grinding or leave a gap so I could see
the puddle and know that I'm getting fusion.

I did indeed use 6011. Also bear in mind..that not all MIG machines
are created alike. Running .030 on my old Dan-Mig with CO2 makes for
pretty welds. Except when the material has a heavy coating of
rust..and in inaccessible locations impossible to get a wire wheel
into....stick is a very good option.

But when putting butt welded V channel (.375 thick) into a trailer
frame, while laying on ones back....it had best be a hot machine. Or
dig out the 1/8" 6011

YMMV of course.

Now when I get the Airco Phase Arc mig machine running, I can load her
up with .045 Dual Shield...and using spray..may equal what s simple
stick does.

Gunner

"Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire.
Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us)
off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give
them self determination under "play nice" rules.

Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you
for torturing the cat." Gunner