On 4 Nov 2005 13:51:00 -0800, Banty wrote:

But then, I'm not normally out to prove anything and don't
try to cheap out of things.

The point, Banty, that we all have learned here is that we truly get
what we pay for. If we want cheap, that's perfectly fine as long as
we don't bitch about the consequences. If we want well done and
fabulous, we either have to pay good $$ or educate ourselves fully in
order to get that result.