In article ,
Ignoramus8862 wrote:

On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 16:39:25 GMT, Don Bruder wrote:
In article ,
Ignoramus8862 wrote:

On Mon, 31 Oct 2005 04:59:13 -0800, Larry Jaques novalidaddress@di wrote:
On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 22:16:39 -0600, with neither quill nor qualm, Jon
Elson quickly quoth:

Ignoramus26744 wrote:
This is purely an idle question. I have no interest in doing this, for
many reasons. The main reason is that 7mm rem mag is armor piercing
even if bullets are made from dung. Anyway. I have some 4.8mm (3/16)
tungsten electrodes (lanthanated). I could, conceivably, cast some

(Ig, you meant to say "_Someone_ could, conceivably, cast...", right?)

I could double check, but it is my recollection that possessing AP
bullets is not illegal, at least in the US in general. High power
rifles, such as 7mm Rem Mag, give their bullets so much energy that
pretty much any bullets from these rifles can go through pretty much
all "bulletproof" vests. A vest that could stop a bullet of this
nature would not be practical to carry.

That's true for almost rifles of roughly that size - .30-06, .308, 7mm
mag, and god-only-knows how many others. Basically anything that size is
going to fit in the category "armor piercing" when loaded with plain old
off-the-shelf deer bullets.

When I asked a cop I know (who, at the time, was bragging about his
spiffy new state-of-the-art, top-of-the-line vest - "This sucker will
stop damn near anything!") "So, if it's so great and protects so well,
what happens if I point my .30-06 at you and pull the trigger?", he
flinched a bit, then in a very matter-of-fact tone replied "Well, I'm
probably gonna drop like a steer in a slaughterhouse, then quietly lay
there and bleed to death - assuming I'm not already dead before I hit
the ground."

Oddly enough, I haven't heard him say diddly-squat about his
ever-so-strong vest since...


Even if his vest stopped the bullet, it still would transfer almost
100% of the bullet's momentum on him. That would amount to being hit
with a high speed paddle. The momentum would be the same as the
rifle's recoil (which is painful), only transferring more energy
because of higher speed of the affected area of the vest, compared to
the speed of rifle moving backwards.

IOW, the discussion that I started is not of practical nature.

Oh, that's without question. The point I am/was making is that just
about any of the "big deer rifles" (Pretty much anything that's
reasonably comparable to a .30-06, .308, .300 savage, or similar) is, in
and of itself, an "armor piercing" weapon unless you're shooting nothing
but plain, soft lead bullets through it. There's just *SO MUCH* "oomph"
involved, behind such a (comparatively) small cross-section, that it can
hardly help punching through insert almost any material of your choice
like tissue-paper.

The "scary" part is that something like an off-the-shelf .30-06 isn't
even really all that "high powered" a load by the standards that today's
magnum and ultra-magnum loads use.

(That's *NOT* saying that a .30-06 isn't "high powered enough"... How
could anyone sane make that claim when it's generally considered to be
"plenty of rifle" for practically anything that walks, flies, crawls, or
slithers on the north American continent? Never mind the crazy folks
who have used it for taking African "big game", up to and including
rhinos and elephants...)

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