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Old February 2nd 08, 06:57 AM posted to alt.home.repair
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can i use diesel fuel in a home fuel oil furnace? if so wich diesel
can i use?
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Old February 2nd 08, 01:44 PM posted to alt.home.repair
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can i use diesel fuel in a home fuel oil furnace? if so wich diesel
can i use?


Yes, or K-1 (kerosene).

I know. You aren't on automatic delivery and if you run out, what do you do?
Keep a couple of 5 gallon cans around...

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Old February 2nd 08, 02:06 PM posted to alt.home.repair
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"Dr. Hardcrab" wrote:

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can i use diesel fuel in a home fuel oil furnace? if so wich diesel
can i use?


Yes, or K-1 (kerosene).

I know. You aren't on automatic delivery and if you run out, what do you do?
Keep a couple of 5 gallon cans around...


Yes, essentially the only differences between the #2 heating oil in your
tank and the #2 diesel at the pump are the transportation fuel taxes you
pay at the pump and the red dye they put in the non taxed heating oil.
Otherwise they are interchangeable functionally, and the heating oil is
also known as "off road diesel" since it's legal to use in off road
equipment.
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Old February 2nd 08, 02:45 PM posted to alt.home.repair
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on 2/2/2008 8:44 AM Dr. Hardcrab said the following:

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can i use diesel fuel in a home fuel oil furnace? if so wich diesel
can i use?


Yes, or K-1 (kerosene).

I know. You aren't on automatic delivery and if you run out, what do
you do? Keep a couple of 5 gallon cans around...



Diesel fuel is going for $3.56 to $3.80 a gallon around here.
Kerosene is about $3.90 a gallon
Heating oil is $2.93 to 3.39 a gallon.
Looks like heating oil is the cheapest, for me anyway.

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Old February 2nd 08, 04:16 PM posted to alt.home.repair
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"Pete C." wrote in message
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"Dr. Hardcrab" wrote:

wrote in message
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can i use diesel fuel in a home fuel oil furnace? if so wich diesel
can i use?


Yes, or K-1 (kerosene).

I know. You aren't on automatic delivery and if you run out, what do you
do?
Keep a couple of 5 gallon cans around...


Yes, essentially the only differences between the #2 heating oil in your
tank and the #2 diesel at the pump are the transportation fuel taxes you
pay at the pump and the red dye they put in the non taxed heating oil.
Otherwise they are interchangeable functionally, and the heating oil is
also known as "off road diesel" since it's legal to use in off road
equipment.


That is not entirely correct. I was checking out the use of furnace fuel oil
to power my standby generator. I contacted a number of major oil companies
and got some surprising answers. Apparently, in some small markets, fuel oil
and diesel are identical, but sometimes and in high demand areas they are
different. They both use the same base stock but diesel is required to have
a certain quality and "cetane" level (equivalent to octane in gasoline) to
prevent damage to engines, furnace oil does not and (these are my own words
because they would not come out and admit it) since it only burns oil, they
can ship any old **** they have around that fits the basic specifications
for furnace oil --- this stuff they warned not to use in engines.

So there is a reason other than taxes, that diesel is more expensive than
fuel oil. You can use diesel fuel in a furnace, as it is the good stuff, but
don't use fuel oil in your engine, because it may damage the engine if they
are shipping the junk oil.


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Old February 2nd 08, 04:41 PM posted to alt.home.repair
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Pete C. wrote:
"Dr. Hardcrab" wrote:
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can i use diesel fuel in a home fuel oil furnace? if so wich diesel
can i use?

Yes, or K-1 (kerosene).

I know. You aren't on automatic delivery and if you run out, what do you do?
Keep a couple of 5 gallon cans around...


Yes, essentially the only differences between the #2 heating oil in your
tank and the #2 diesel at the pump are the transportation fuel taxes you
pay at the pump and the red dye they put in the non taxed heating oil.
Otherwise they are interchangeable functionally, and the heating oil is
also known as "off road diesel" since it's legal to use in off road
equipment.


It is a little more complicated than that. Diesel fuel typically is sold
as "diesel fuel" not a particular # oil. If the diesel fuel is sold in a
freezing climate a certain percentage of #1 is mixed in to minimize fuel
gelling effects.
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"George" wrote in message
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Pete C. wrote:
"Dr. Hardcrab" wrote:
wrote in message
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can i use diesel fuel in a home fuel oil furnace? if so wich diesel
can i use?
Yes, or K-1 (kerosene).

I know. You aren't on automatic delivery and if you run out, what do you
do?
Keep a couple of 5 gallon cans around...


Yes, essentially the only differences between the #2 heating oil in your
tank and the #2 diesel at the pump are the transportation fuel taxes you
pay at the pump and the red dye they put in the non taxed heating oil.
Otherwise they are interchangeable functionally, and the heating oil is
also known as "off road diesel" since it's legal to use in off road
equipment.


It is a little more complicated than that. Diesel fuel typically is sold
as "diesel fuel" not a particular # oil. If the diesel fuel is sold in a
freezing climate a certain percentage of #1 is mixed in to minimize fuel
gelling effects.


People who have outdoor fuel oil tanks have the same jelling problems as
vehicles, I would assume that winter heating oil in cold climates is
"adjusted" similarly to vehicle fuel.
In this area #1 heating oil is thin, probably mostly kerosene and used in
"heaters" that don't pump the oil into the combustion chamber, #2 heating
oil is thicker and used in fuel oil burners. Diesel oil is rated as #2
diesel for use in engines and #1 version of diesel oil is jet fuel grade.


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Old February 2nd 08, 05:37 PM posted to alt.home.repair
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On Sat, 02 Feb 2008 11:41:59 -0500, George
wrote:

Pete C. wrote:

Yes, essentially the only differences between the #2 heating oil in your
tank and the #2 diesel at the pump are the transportation fuel taxes you
pay at the pump and the red dye they put in the non taxed heating oil.
Otherwise they are interchangeable functionally, and the heating oil is
also known as "off road diesel" since it's legal to use in off road
equipment.


It is a little more complicated than that. Diesel fuel typically is sold
as "diesel fuel" not a particular # oil. If the diesel fuel is sold in a
freezing climate a certain percentage of #1 is mixed in to minimize fuel
gelling effects.


In addition, the sulphur content in home heating oil is significantly
higher than that of on-road diesel -- upwards of 5,000 ppm, whereas
ULSD is limited to 15 ppm or less. Marine diesel, or what is commonly
known as "Bunker C", is the dirtiest of all; it can reach as high as
45,000 ppm! [Something to think about when you book your next holiday
cruise.]

Cheers,
Paul
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Old February 2nd 08, 05:52 PM posted to alt.home.repair
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Default diesel fuel in a home fuel oil furnace?

George wrote:
Pete C. wrote:
"Dr. Hardcrab" wrote:
wrote in message
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can i use diesel fuel in a home fuel oil furnace? if so wich diesel
can i use?
Yes, or K-1 (kerosene).

....
Yes, essentially the only differences between the #2 heating oil in your
tank and the #2 diesel at the pump are the transportation fuel taxes you
pay at the pump and the red dye they put in the non taxed heating oil.
Otherwise they are interchangeable functionally, and the heating oil is
also known as "off road diesel" since it's legal to use in off road
equipment.


It is a little more complicated than that. Diesel fuel typically is sold
as "diesel fuel" not a particular # oil. If the diesel fuel is sold in a
freezing climate a certain percentage of #1 is mixed in to minimize fuel
gelling effects.


It's a whole lot more complicated than that...

"...multifunctional diesel fuel additive packages are built around ...
dispersant/detergent technology which meets the requirements for
....injector cleanliness. ... The detergent can be combined with other
functional components such as lubricity improver, cold flow improver,
deicer, cetane improver, corrosion inhibitor and/or demulsifier to
deliver additional benefits..."

W/O the additional lubricity specifically, no modern diesel engine will
last long and the injector-cleanliness requirements as well as S limits
on road-fuels are significant factors. Underneath, yes, it's "fuel
oil", but the engine-diesel is far more sophisticated a product.

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Old February 2nd 08, 06:15 PM posted to alt.home.repair
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dpb wrote:
George wrote:
Pete C. wrote:
"Dr. Hardcrab" wrote:
wrote in message
...

can i use diesel fuel in a home fuel oil furnace? if so wich diesel
can i use?
Yes, or K-1 (kerosene).

...
Yes, essentially the only differences between the #2 heating oil in your
tank and the #2 diesel at the pump are the transportation fuel taxes you
pay at the pump and the red dye they put in the non taxed heating oil.
Otherwise they are interchangeable functionally, and the heating oil is
also known as "off road diesel" since it's legal to use in off road
equipment.


It is a little more complicated than that. Diesel fuel typically is
sold as "diesel fuel" not a particular # oil. If the diesel fuel is
sold in a freezing climate a certain percentage of #1 is mixed in to
minimize fuel gelling effects.


It's a whole lot more complicated than that...


Agree.

"...multifunctional diesel fuel additive packages are built around ...
dispersant/detergent technology which meets the requirements for
...injector cleanliness. ... The detergent can be combined with other
functional components such as lubricity improver, cold flow improver,
deicer, cetane improver, corrosion inhibitor and/or demulsifier to
deliver additional benefits..."

W/O the additional lubricity specifically, no modern diesel engine will
last long and the injector-cleanliness requirements as well as S limits
on road-fuels are significant factors. Underneath, yes, it's "fuel
oil", but the engine-diesel is far more sophisticated a product.

--


I didn't want to get into it that deep but what you wrote is accurate.
My buddy has a liquid fuels business and he often tells me of all of the
hassles of keeping track of all of this and the multiple trips his
trucks have to run for the separate products.
 




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