Im sure this isn't a gloat since I didnt come by any of it luckily or for
bargain basement prices, but I feel good about it anyways.

The tax man and bonus man were good to me and my wife this year and I
decided to make a decent tool committment so I could start making some
serious sawdust. I have spent (or will have by the end of tomorrow) a
pretty good chunk of change on some new tools. Here are the tools Im
picking up tomorrow:

Ridgid 6 1/8 In. Stationary Joiner -
http://www.ridgid.com/Tools/JP0610-Jointer/

Craftsman 22114 Table Saw -
http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/produ...ert ical=TOOL

Freud SD208 8" Stacked Dado


And these are in the mail:

Forrest WoodWorker II 10" Saw Blade -
http://www.forrestblades.com/woodworker_2.htm

Incra 12" rule set - http://kimcousa.com/IRSET12.html

Magnetic Base, Dial Indicator, Caliper Combo pk to help with saw
adjustments - http://www.grizzly.com/products/item...emnumber=h3022

And a few other odds and ends tools I've been meaning to buy.

I'm also going to get a Dust Collection system for my basement shop as soon
as I decide between the Delta AP400 and the Harbor Freight 2HP model. I
will be throwing a review of each of the tools on my up and coming website
when I get to work with them some.

If anyone has any of these and has any pointers about them or 'gotchas' to
watch out for I'd appreciate hearing from you. SWMBO has commissioned me to
build a furniture quality cabinet for her scrapbooking supplies so Im gonna
have to master the new tools pretty quickly.

Thanks.
Mike

Mike W. wrote:

Here are the tools Im
picking up tomorrow:

May they all work safely and satisfactorily for you.

Have fun!

Barry

Mike W. wrote:
Im sure this isn't a gloat since I didnt come by any of it luckily or for
bargain basement prices, but I feel good about it anyways.

The tax man and bonus man were good to me and my wife this year and I
decided to make a decent tool committment so I could start making some
serious sawdust. I have spent (or will have by the end of tomorrow) a
pretty good chunk of change on some new tools. Here are the tools Im
picking up tomorrow:

Ridgid 6 1/8 In. Stationary Joiner -
http://www.ridgid.com/Tools/JP0610-Jointer/

Craftsman 22114 Table Saw -
http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/produ...ert ical=TOOL

Freud SD208 8" Stacked Dado


And these are in the mail:

Forrest WoodWorker II 10" Saw Blade -
http://www.forrestblades.com/woodworker_2.htm

Incra 12" rule set - http://kimcousa.com/IRSET12.html

Magnetic Base, Dial Indicator, Caliper Combo pk to help with saw
adjustments - http://www.grizzly.com/products/item...emnumber=h3022

And a few other odds and ends tools I've been meaning to buy.

I'm also going to get a Dust Collection system for my basement shop as soon
as I decide between the Delta AP400 and the Harbor Freight 2HP model. I
will be throwing a review of each of the tools on my up and coming website
when I get to work with them some.

If anyone has any of these and has any pointers about them or 'gotchas' to
watch out for I'd appreciate hearing from you. SWMBO has commissioned me to
build a furniture quality cabinet for her scrapbooking supplies so Im gonna
have to master the new tools pretty quickly.

Thanks.
Mike


Mike,

Have fun with your new tools, but take the time to learn to properly
adjust them as it will improve your woodworking and your enjoyment of
the tools.

David

Hi Mike,

Cool - it's really exciting to get some decent
tools to work with. I recently upgraded to a
new TS, so the feeling is fresh in my mind.

You will use the TS more than anything else, so
like others have said, take a few days to tweak
it to "perfection". It will save time in the long run.

Although I have a couple good Freud blades including
their SD508 (which is great), I would like to
get the WWII someday soon. Another great blade to
have in your arsenal is a melamine/plywood blade -
again, I have the Freud. Eliminates tearout.

The DC is a real good idea too - makes it more fun
to work without having sawdust all over the place,
especially if you work in a basement shop (as I do).
Another model for your consideration might be
the Penn-State models (I have the DC-10) which
services 5 blast gates with no problems. Around
$200 IIRC.

Anyhow, enjoy, have fun & be safe (don't
work with power tools when you're tired!)

Lou

Craftsman 22114 Table Saw -
http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/produ...ert ical=TOOL


me thinks you have not been hanging out here long enough (G)

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Be careful about knocking the new line of Craftsman table saws.
They've gotten excellent reviews in at least 2 mags. lately, and great
reviews from post sites from their owners. I want the new hybrid model
myself!


Steve Knight wrote:
Craftsman 22114 Table Saw -

http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/produ...ert ical=TOOL


me thinks you have not been hanging out here long enough (G)

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instructions.

Got the 22114 home. Called a buddy to come over to help get it out of the
truck, into the house, down the stairs, and into the basement shop.... wish
I would have called 2 buddies. After freezing outside getting everything I
could get out of the packaging on my own and breaking my back getting this
sucker into the shop I'm happy.

I realize that some folks (hint Steve K.) are not fond of Craftsman so I
wont take it personally. :-) 6 months ago I wouldn't have even thought of
buying a Craftsman, but after all of the positive things I have read and
seeing the saws I thought long and hard about it. I was really close to
buying one of two others... the General International 50-185 and the Ridgid
TS3650. I'm sure I would have been very happy with either... especially the
General. The General would have required a 105 mile drive, and a definite
blade purchase (which I did anyways, but like having the 'cheaper' one for
free to use on crapwood). There was more than one time that if a HD
'salesperson' would have talked to me to discuss a discount I would have
probably had one of them in the back of my truck. Im glad I didnt buy one,
though. I kept hearing about arbor issues and a wobbly base - both of which
could be fixed, but I wasnt digging the thought of fixing something before I
even used it. And, to be honest, I like the hybrid style of the Craftsman.
It suites the home shop pretty well. So Im not apologetic about buying it.
I'll let you know if I still feel this way after I finish assembling it and
get to making sawdust.

Thanks.

"Mike W." wrote in message
...
Im sure this isn't a gloat since I didnt come by any of it luckily or for
bargain basement prices, but I feel good about it anyways.

The tax man and bonus man were good to me and my wife this year and I
decided to make a decent tool committment so I could start making some
serious sawdust. I have spent (or will have by the end of tomorrow) a
pretty good chunk of change on some new tools. Here are the tools Im
picking up tomorrow:

Ridgid 6 1/8 In. Stationary Joiner -
http://www.ridgid.com/Tools/JP0610-Jointer/

Craftsman 22114 Table Saw -
http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/produ...ert ical=TOOL

Freud SD208 8" Stacked Dado


And these are in the mail:

Forrest WoodWorker II 10" Saw Blade -
http://www.forrestblades.com/woodworker_2.htm

Incra 12" rule set - http://kimcousa.com/IRSET12.html

Magnetic Base, Dial Indicator, Caliper Combo pk to help with saw
adjustments - http://www.grizzly.com/products/item...emnumber=h3022

And a few other odds and ends tools I've been meaning to buy.

I'm also going to get a Dust Collection system for my basement shop as
soon as I decide between the Delta AP400 and the Harbor Freight 2HP model.
I will be throwing a review of each of the tools on my up and coming
website when I get to work with them some.

If anyone has any of these and has any pointers about them or 'gotchas' to
watch out for I'd appreciate hearing from you. SWMBO has commissioned me
to build a furniture quality cabinet for her scrapbooking supplies so Im
gonna have to master the new tools pretty quickly.

Thanks.
Mike

On 17 Feb 2005 16:56:35 -0800, "Doug" wrote:

Be careful about knocking the new line of Craftsman table saws.
They've gotten excellent reviews in at least 2 mags. lately, and great
reviews from post sites from their owners. I want the new hybrid model
myself!

Ya I just fawn over reviews. I wonder who pays those advertising bills???? time
will tell.

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Custom made wooden planes at reasonable prices
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On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 08:56:06 -0800, the inscrutable Steve Knight
spake:

Craftsman 22114 Table Saw -
http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/produ...ert ical=TOOL

me thinks you have not been hanging out here long enough (G)

Yeah, and isn't putting a Forrest blade on a Crapsman saur
considered HERESY? One can taunt the WW gods only so far.


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On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 22:47:23 -0800, Steve Knight
wrote:

On 17 Feb 2005 16:56:35 -0800, "Doug" wrote:

Be careful about knocking the new line of Craftsman table saws.
They've gotten excellent reviews in at least 2 mags. lately, and great
reviews from post sites from their owners. I want the new hybrid model
myself!

Ya I just fawn over reviews. I wonder who pays those advertising bills???? time
will tell.
===============

I still own a few older "Craftsman" Machines...and have over the years
tossed my share of "Crapsman" machines in the dump ...and I do share
Steve Knights opinion of any machine the was made after 1970-75 ..

BUT there may be some hope..... Just sems to me that maybe just maybe
some bright MBA sitting in the corporate office realized that Sears
has stores located so close to a bi-zillion customers that selling a
"new" machine that was comparable in quality to the Major brands may
just over time (do MBA's think in years or ficial year quarters)
become a profit center...

As it is now when I look in the for sale section of the paper I do not
even stop one milisecond IF I see the word Craftsman in the ad...

Bob Griffiths

Bob Griffiths

Oh well. Let the taunting begin.

:-)


"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 08:56:06 -0800, the inscrutable Steve Knight
spake:

Craftsman 22114 Table Saw -
http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/produ...ert ical=TOOL

me thinks you have not been hanging out here long enough (G)

Yeah, and isn't putting a Forrest blade on a Crapsman saur
considered HERESY? One can taunt the WW gods only so far.


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"Mike W." wrote in
:

Oh well. Let the taunting begin.

:-)


Larry's role in life is to help us see the absurdity of some of our
strongly held opinions.

One of my strongly held opinions is that God has a well-developed sense of
humour.

Enjoy your new saw. Put whatever color of sawblade in it that you choose.
Just don't be posting any kickback or accident stories here!

Patriarch

me thinks I don't have enough money to keep up with you.

Hopefully over the next half century I can replace these lower echelon tools
one by one for the tools that you big guys use, but for now I'm hoping they
do well for me.

Mike


"Steve Knight" wrote in message
...

Craftsman 22114 Table Saw -
http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/produ...ert ical=TOOL


me thinks you have not been hanging out here long enough (G)

--
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Custom made wooden planes at reasonable prices
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Thanks....

But if I do get injured with kickback wouldnt it be (hopefully not 'wont it
be) just stupidity on my part? Couldnt I still get stupidity credit for it
instead of blaming it on the saw? Do the more expensive saws have some sort
of anti-kickback Karma that I didnt consider as one of my qualifications?
:-) lol

Seriously though, I know, as well as anyone who has purchased anything less
than a 'unisaur', that I didnt get top-of-the-line. I just think
top-of-the-line for me is different than top-of-the-line for others. I
mean, I didnt go buy a Ford F250 diesel, dually because I wouldnt be doing
anything where I needed it... sure, it would haul the heck out of the 4
sheets of 3/4" oak ply I might be hauling without even sputtering, but an
S-10 will too. It seems the same on the saws. I wouldnt spend $1400 on a
saw just because its the best saw... I dont need the best. I just need one
that will do what I need for a good long while.

Thanks everyone for the input.

Thanks.

"Patriarch" wrote in message
. 97.136...
"Mike W." wrote in
:

Oh well. Let the taunting begin.

:-)


Larry's role in life is to help us see the absurdity of some of our
strongly held opinions.

One of my strongly held opinions is that God has a well-developed sense of
humour.

Enjoy your new saw. Put whatever color of sawblade in it that you choose.
Just don't be posting any kickback or accident stories here!

Patriarch

Mike W. wrote:
me thinks I don't have enough money to keep up with you.

Hopefully over the next half century I can replace these lower echelon tools
one by one for the tools that you big guys use, but for now I'm hoping they
do well for me.

Mike


"Steve Knight" wrote in message
...

Craftsman 22114 Table Saw -
http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/produ...ert ical=TOOL


me thinks you have not been hanging out here long enough (G)

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Mike,

I have always been a believer of buy the best you can, and you only have
to buy once, but that's easier said than done. My next tablesaw (in the
next 6-9 months) will be a 5HP Powermatic Model 66, but 10 years ago
when I bought my current tablesaw, that wasn't even a remote option.
The 1.5 HP Grizzly contractors saw I have has cut a ton of wood for me.
I put the Forrest Woodworker II on it and the turned steel pulley's
with link belt. Is it as accurate, easy to use, and powerful as I want
in a saw, well no, but it also hasn't stopped me from doing a lot of
woodworking.

Seems to me that it would be much worse not being able to do any
woodworking at all waiting on a supreme machine. Looks like you
investigated and bought the best you can afford and are comfortable
with. Now the learning and fun begins.

Enjoy,

David

"Mike W." wrote in
:

snip
Seriously though, I know, as well as anyone who has purchased anything
less than a 'unisaur', that I didnt get top-of-the-line. I just think
top-of-the-line for me is different than top-of-the-line for others.

Speaking as one who bought a Unisaur two years ago, I KNOW the line goes
further up. But I chose what I wanted, spent my bonus money, with my
wife's approval, and am happy with the saw. I hope you're happy with your
purchases as well.

Regarding the accident - two things:

1) Please try your best not to have one

2) Please try your best not to make a bloody big deal about it here, unless
there is a learning to be had, should one happen. It only encourages
everyone to tell of the time when someone they knew/heard about/are did
something dangerous/stupid/life threatening/fatal. I donwannahearaboudit.

Patriarch,
whose weekend seems to be replacing the master bath shower, from the floor
joists up. Joy.

Larry Jaques wrote:

me thinks you have not been hanging out here long enough (G)

Yeah, and isn't putting a Forrest blade on a Crapsman saur
considered HERESY? One can taunt the WW gods only so far.

One of these days I'm going to put a WWII on my Crapsman saur.

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I realize that some folks (hint Steve K.) are not fond of Craftsman
so I
wont take it personally. :-)

Ridgid TS3650

I'll let you know if I still feel this way after I finish assembling
it and
get to making sawdust.

My two cents worth is this is a great news group and much less prone to
flame wars than some others I lurk in. Don't ever take anything
personally.

I do my best to get by honorably in this world and if someone else is
fortunate enough to make a bunch more money at their job and can afford
better toys than i can good for them. But I am never going to be
ashamed of what I can do. I have a sub-$250 Skil 'table saw' that I
have had for going on 5 years. It is not the best but I have done
projects from book shelves to dog houses to yard fence repairs and it
has worked for me.

I have a delta drill press, a delta planer, etc., but i am not sold on
the fact that everything Delta makes is the best. I have been looking
at new Tsaws in the $700ish range, I looked at my local Delta dealer
(not big box Borg, but small shop where people put down their lunch to
chat about tools). And frankly some of the Delta stuff looks
questionable. I looked at the Rigid TS3650 and am impressed, but they
are pretty new.

The bottom line is it's all a moving target. To say that Craftsman was
crap 10 years ago and Delta was bullet-proof 15 years ago means very
little about what is for sale today.

Please do post your thoughts about assembling it and making sawdust. I
do understand who pays the advertising bills for the magazines, and
thats why I would value feedback from someone who has gone out and
tried it. Don't let the sourpusses here get you down. Enjoy your new
tools.

On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 00:36:52 GMT, "Mike W." wrote:

me thinks I don't have enough money to keep up with you.

Hopefully over the next half century I can replace these lower echelon tools
one by one for the tools that you big guys use, but for now I'm hoping they
do well for me.

I still only have my jet contractors saw. it is about 10 years old. with the
right blade a forrest woodworker II it rips 8/4 tropicals just fine. though I
bet if I cut domestic woods it may drive me nuts (G)

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On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 22:49:40 GMT, the inscrutable "Mike W."
spake:

Oh well. Let the taunting begin.

:-)

So solly.

Those of us who were bled and screwed by Searz, Inc. don't soon
forget it. And others who have purchased Crapsman WW tools have horror
stories, too, including the infamous ARHA feature on their routahs.
Do a Google search on the subject if you want an eye-opener, Mike.



(AHRA = Automatic Random Height Adjuster)



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I have to say that I'm so far pleased with the saw. I can't speak as if I
have been using a Unisaw for ten years, but this saw is waaaaay nicer than
any that I've gottent the opportunity to use. That includes some of the
mid-range contractors saws. It passed the nickel test on the first try. It
operates very smoothly. The only thing that needed adjusting was the fence.
It was a slight amount out of square. I made the proper adjustments and it
is awesome now. The deflection that I noted on the display models must have
been from poor setup because the one I have is rock solid.

I did notice a ridiculous difference in the tear out of some oak ply between
the blade that came with it and the Forrest WWII. I can see already that it
was $90 well spent. I haven't put the Freud Dado blade on yet, but that
should happen some evening this week.

I built 2 sleds, one for true-ing up edges and a large panel sled. I
noticed (a little late) that what I thought was 'square and plumb' on some
S4S from the borg wasn't actually square and plumb... so I'll be doing a
little redo-ing after I get the jointer out of the box and setup. I used
the s4s for the fence on the large panel sled... so everything I cut with it
is just a smidge off. I will fix it after milling a true fence.

All in all, after one weekend, about 10 woodworking hours, I am 110% pleased
with my purchases. The 22114 is far better than I expected and I think I
will be happy with it for a while and the Delta AP400 dust collector does an
excellent job of keeping the shop clean.

Thanks.

"Mike W." wrote in message
...
Im sure this isn't a gloat since I didnt come by any of it luckily or for
bargain basement prices, but I feel good about it anyways.

The tax man and bonus man were good to me and my wife this year and I
decided to make a decent tool committment so I could start making some
serious sawdust. I have spent (or will have by the end of tomorrow) a
pretty good chunk of change on some new tools. Here are the tools Im
picking up tomorrow:

Ridgid 6 1/8 In. Stationary Joiner -
http://www.ridgid.com/Tools/JP0610-Jointer/

Craftsman 22114 Table Saw -
http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/produ...ert ical=TOOL

Freud SD208 8" Stacked Dado


And these are in the mail:

Forrest WoodWorker II 10" Saw Blade -
http://www.forrestblades.com/woodworker_2.htm

Incra 12" rule set - http://kimcousa.com/IRSET12.html

Magnetic Base, Dial Indicator, Caliper Combo pk to help with saw
adjustments - http://www.grizzly.com/products/item...emnumber=h3022

And a few other odds and ends tools I've been meaning to buy.

I'm also going to get a Dust Collection system for my basement shop as
soon as I decide between the Delta AP400 and the Harbor Freight 2HP model.
I will be throwing a review of each of the tools on my up and coming
website when I get to work with them some.

If anyone has any of these and has any pointers about them or 'gotchas' to
watch out for I'd appreciate hearing from you. SWMBO has commissioned me
to build a furniture quality cabinet for her scrapbooking supplies so Im
gonna have to master the new tools pretty quickly.

Thanks.
Mike

On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 08:56:06 -0800, Steve Knight
wrote:

Craftsman 22114 Table Saw -
http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/produ...ert ical=TOOL

me thinks you have not been hanging out here long enough (G)

Is this saw any good ? Looking at the web picture it seems like
quite a reasonable bit of kit - assuming the build quality is OK.

I know there's nothing in Europe comparable - we have a big gap
between about £200 and £1000 with nothing worthwhile in the middle.

I cut on it all weekend. I have to say that it will suit my needs quite
nicely. I built 2 sleds and put the Forrest WWII blade on it. I am nearly
done with a scrapbooking cabinet for SWMBO. I would not hesitate to
recommend this saw for the midrange user.

Thanks.

"Andy Dingley" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 08:56:06 -0800, Steve Knight
wrote:

Craftsman 22114 Table Saw -
http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/produ...ert ical=TOOL

me thinks you have not been hanging out here long enough (G)

Is this saw any good ? Looking at the web picture it seems like
quite a reasonable bit of kit - assuming the build quality is OK.

I know there's nothing in Europe comparable - we have a big gap
between about £200 and £1000 with nothing worthwhile in the middle.