anyone have copies of Shopnotes

vol 9 #52

vol 10 #55

vol 11 #64 and #65

vol 13 #73, 74 ,75 and 76

that they would like to sell

On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 20:00:02 -0500, "doc44"
wrote:

anyone have copies of Shopnotes

vol 9 #52

vol 10 #55

vol 11 #64 and #65

vol 13 #73, 74 ,75 and 76

that they would like to sell


I prob have those..but they are not for sale. They have been scanned
and converted to pdf format. If there is enough interest I can post
them in one of the binary groups. Oh.. there are several years worth
of them.

I prob have those..but they are not for sale. They have been scanned
and converted to pdf format. If there is enough interest I can post
them in one of the binary groups. Oh.. there are several years worth
of them.

While, I'm not a copyright lawyer, but someone who values
the right of the author, I'd advise you NOT do this. August Home
Publishing can help out this individual by seling back copies.

I doubt the local library has them, so I can sympathize that these
issues may cost some dough. He probably can visit the local
Woodcraft and see if they have them - mine does. So he can
save on shipping.

Just my $.02 for today.

MJ Wallace

There is not a local woodcraft. I wish to purchase the magazines not
download a PDF. I understand that they will be more than the original price.
If your local woodcraft store has them would you be willing to purchase them
and send them to me? I have been trying to buy them on ebay. I usually end
up with four or five others in the lot to get one that I want. According to
August Home's webpage they are out of these. I went there first.

wrote in message
oups.com...

I prob have those..but they are not for sale. They have been scanned
and converted to pdf format. If there is enough interest I can post
them in one of the binary groups. Oh.. there are several years worth
of them.

While, I'm not a copyright lawyer, but someone who values
the right of the author, I'd advise you NOT do this. August Home
Publishing can help out this individual by seling back copies.

I doubt the local library has them, so I can sympathize that these
issues may cost some dough. He probably can visit the local
Woodcraft and see if they have them - mine does. So he can
save on shipping.

Just my $.02 for today.

MJ Wallace

Per my last reply.

I have been trying to buy them on ebay. I usually end
up with four or five others in the lot to get one that I want.


"David" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 13:50:34 -0500, "doc44"
wrote:

There is not a local woodcraft. I wish to purchase the magazines

Ebay???
http://search.ebay.com/shopnotes_W0QQfkrZ1QQfromZR8

On 16 Feb 2005 10:23:01 -0800, wrote:


I prob have those..but they are not for sale. They have been scanned
and converted to pdf format. If there is enough interest I can post
them in one of the binary groups. Oh.. there are several years worth
of them.

While, I'm not a copyright lawyer, but someone who values
the right of the author, I'd advise you NOT do this. August Home
Publishing can help out this individual by seling back copies.

I doubt the local library has them, so I can sympathize that these
issues may cost some dough. He probably can visit the local
Woodcraft and see if they have them - mine does. So he can
save on shipping.

Just my $.02 for today.

MJ Wallace

While I may be convinced about copying when something is truly unavailable,
I generally agree very much with your comments. In the rare case in which
I were convinced to provide someone a cc of something out-of-print, it
would be in an e-mail, not by posting to a website/ng. FWIW. -- Igor.

I don't recall asking for your advice or permission. Yes you can go to
the local library and read them for free or you can download them and
promise to delete the files when you are done. I will post them to
one of the alt binaries groups in the next few days.

On 16 Feb 2005 10:23:01 -0800, wrote:


I prob have those..but they are not for sale. They have been scanned
and converted to pdf format. If there is enough interest I can post
them in one of the binary groups. Oh.. there are several years worth
of them.

While, I'm not a copyright lawyer, but someone who values
the right of the author, I'd advise you NOT do this. August Home
Publishing can help out this individual by seling back copies.

I doubt the local library has them, so I can sympathize that these
issues may cost some dough. He probably can visit the local
Woodcraft and see if they have them - mine does. So he can
save on shipping.

Just my $.02 for today.

MJ Wallace

On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 12:18:05 -0800, David
wrote:



PDF is better.
I have printed out many articles, even the entire magazine from mine.
When I'm done I toss it in the garbage. My PDF version stays pristine.
You can also printout the PDFs MUCH larger than the magazine.
Helps with reading those little measurements.

I'm presently doing my own PDFs of the first 5 years of WOOD magazine.



I agree.. and when burned to DVD they take up very little shelf space
as well.

AFAIK, you post here, you are asking for advice of anyone who happens by.
Seems to go w/ the territory. Don't want advice, don't post here -- or,
ignore it. But ****ing about actually getting advice? -- Igor

On 17 Feb 2005 07:16:16 -0600, K_Line wrote:

I don't recall asking for your advice or permission. Yes you can go to
the local library and read them for free or you can download them and
promise to delete the files when you are done. I will post them to
one of the alt binaries groups in the next few days.

On 16 Feb 2005 10:23:01 -0800, wrote:


I prob have those..but they are not for sale. They have been scanned
and converted to pdf format. If there is enough interest I can post
them in one of the binary groups. Oh.. there are several years worth
of them.

While, I'm not a copyright lawyer, but someone who values
the right of the author, I'd advise you NOT do this. August Home
Publishing can help out this individual by seling back copies.

I doubt the local library has them, so I can sympathize that these
issues may cost some dough. He probably can visit the local
Woodcraft and see if they have them - mine does. So he can
save on shipping.

Just my $.02 for today.

MJ Wallace

On 17 Feb 2005 07:16:16 -0600, K_Line wrote:

I don't recall asking for your advice or permission. Yes you can go to
the local library and read them for free or you can download them and
promise to delete the files when you are done. I will post them to
one of the alt binaries groups in the next few days.

You won't mind then if a copy of this and your email address [assuming
it is correct] is forwarded to Shopnotes for their opinion? Or,
perhaps you could write them yourself for their permission just as a
matter of common courtesy, and *then* tell everyone to stuff it.

FWIW, it is illegal to make a copy of copyrighted material without express
permission - period. It is also illegal to distribute same for profit or for
free via ANY medium.

That said, do a lot of people do it - yes. Do the copyright holders care -
generally not unless there's a flagrant violation AND someone turns you in.

Chances are, with a company the size of Shopnotes publisher posting on a
website of newsgroup might result in a letter from an attorney and it might
not.

"You pays yer money and you takes yer choice"



"K_Line" wrote in message
...
I don't recall asking for your advice or permission. Yes you can go to
the local library and read them for free or you can download them and
promise to delete the files when you are done. I will post them to
one of the alt binaries groups in the next few days.

On 16 Feb 2005 10:23:01 -0800, wrote:


I prob have those..but they are not for sale. They have been scanned
and converted to pdf format. If there is enough interest I can post
them in one of the binary groups. Oh.. there are several years worth
of them.

While, I'm not a copyright lawyer, but someone who values
the right of the author, I'd advise you NOT do this. August Home
Publishing can help out this individual by seling back copies.

I doubt the local library has them, so I can sympathize that these
issues may cost some dough. He probably can visit the local
Woodcraft and see if they have them - mine does. So he can
save on shipping.

Just my $.02 for today.

MJ Wallace

On 2005-02-17, David wrote:
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 09:58:08 -0500, Cowardly Netkop hiding behind a fake name
wrote:

On 17 Feb 2005 07:16:16 -0600, K_Line wrote:

I don't recall asking for your advice or permission. Yes you can go to
the local library and read them for free or you can download them and
promise to delete the files when you are done. I will post them to
one of the alt binaries groups in the next few days.

You won't mind then if a copy of this and your email address [assuming
it is correct] is forwarded to Shopnotes for their opinion? Or,
perhaps you could write them yourself for their permission just as a
matter of common courtesy, and *then* tell everyone to stuff it.

You're the type of asshole who reports his neighbor for watering on the wrong
days. The world would be a nicer place with fewer pricks like you.

Posting the pdf files is the same as stealing them from the company. It's
not a victimless crime; they're $4.99 each.

--
I can find no modern furniture that is as well designed and emotionally
satisfying as that made by the Arts and Crafts movement in the early years
of the last century.

On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 16:50:27 GMT, "Vic Baron" wrote:

FWIW, it is illegal to make a copy of copyrighted material without express
permission - period. It is also illegal to distribute same for profit or for
free via ANY medium.

That said, do a lot of people do it - yes. Do the copyright holders care -
generally not unless there's a flagrant violation AND someone turns you in.

Chances are, with a company the size of Shopnotes publisher posting on a
website of newsgroup might result in a letter from an attorney and it might
not.

"You pays yer money and you takes yer choice"


Well said. It was not that us nay-sayers were saying that it cannot be
done, or, as you said, that it is not done, just that we think it is a bad
thing to do. IMO, if someone says, "I think that that is not a good idea"
and the response is, "FU, I'll do whatever I want", then a rejoinder that
"Well, then I might call the cops" seems proportional, as the guys at the
Pentagon say. Had the potential pirate ignored the "not a good idea"
comment or responded with a cogent argument, I doubt that the cops option
would have been broached. But that's just the view from my armchair. Igor

On 17 Feb 2005 20:51:54 GMT, Ed Clarke wrote:
On 2005-02-17, David wrote:
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 09:58:08 -0500, Cowardly Netkop hiding behind a fake name
wrote:

On 17 Feb 2005 07:16:16 -0600, K_Line wrote:

I don't recall asking for your advice or permission. Yes you can go to
the local library and read them for free or you can download them and
promise to delete the files when you are done. I will post them to
one of the alt binaries groups in the next few days.

You won't mind then if a copy of this and your email address [assuming
it is correct] is forwarded to Shopnotes for their opinion? Or,
perhaps you could write them yourself for their permission just as a
matter of common courtesy, and *then* tell everyone to stuff it.

You're the type of asshole who reports his neighbor for watering on the wrong
days. The world would be a nicer place with fewer pricks like you.

Posting the pdf files is the same as stealing them from the company. It's
not a victimless crime; they're $4.99 each.

Yup. Some of us make money in selling intellectual property, and feel
it's disgusting when people casually steal money from our colleagues.
Hell, I won't even steal from Microsoft, even though I dislike them
intensely.

I don't think it is such a big deal. The company no longer sells these. They
have stated that it is not worth there money or trouble to reprint the older
ones anymore. If they would sell them I would buy them from August Homes.
I just don't want to have to buy 25 mags (from E-Bay) to get the few that I
need to complete my collection.

"igor" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 16:50:27 GMT, "Vic Baron" wrote:

FWIW, it is illegal to make a copy of copyrighted material without express
permission - period. It is also illegal to distribute same for profit or
for
free via ANY medium.

That said, do a lot of people do it - yes. Do the copyright holders care -
generally not unless there's a flagrant violation AND someone turns you
in.

Chances are, with a company the size of Shopnotes publisher posting on a
website of newsgroup might result in a letter from an attorney and it
might
not.

"You pays yer money and you takes yer choice"


Well said. It was not that us nay-sayers were saying that it cannot be
done, or, as you said, that it is not done, just that we think it is a bad
thing to do. IMO, if someone says, "I think that that is not a good idea"
and the response is, "FU, I'll do whatever I want", then a rejoinder that
"Well, then I might call the cops" seems proportional, as the guys at the
Pentagon say. Had the potential pirate ignored the "not a good idea"
comment or responded with a cogent argument, I doubt that the cops option
would have been broached. But that's just the view from my armchair.
Igor

Scroll down a few lines and read slowly....".if there is enough
interest I can post them in one of the binaries groups"
That sounds pretty straight forward to me... if you are interested
speak up... else shut the **** up. No advice was asked for... no
****ing was done ... don't agree with it.... well ...like you
said... ignore. .. if you don't want them... don't download them.

pretty simple huh?

On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 13:49:05 GMT, igor wrote:

AFAIK, you post here, you are asking for advice of anyone who happens by.
Seems to go w/ the territory. Don't want advice, don't post here -- or,
ignore it. But ****ing about actually getting advice? -- Igor

On 17 Feb 2005 07:16:16 -0600, K_Line wrote:

I don't recall asking for your advice or permission. Yes you can go to
the local library and read them for free or you can download them and
promise to delete the files when you are done. I will post them to
one of the alt binaries groups in the next few days.

On 16 Feb 2005 10:23:01 -0800, wrote:


I prob have those..but they are not for sale. They have been scanned
and converted to pdf format. If there is enough interest I can post
them in one of the binary groups. Oh.. there are several years worth
of them.

While, I'm not a copyright lawyer, but someone who values
the right of the author, I'd advise you NOT do this. August Home
Publishing can help out this individual by seling back copies.

I doubt the local library has them, so I can sympathize that these
issues may cost some dough. He probably can visit the local
Woodcraft and see if they have them - mine does. So he can
save on shipping.

Just my $.02 for today.

MJ Wallace

On 17 Feb 2005 18:02:15 -0600, K_Line wrote:

Scroll down a few lines and read slowly....".if there is enough
interest I can post them in one of the binaries groups"
That sounds pretty straight forward to me... if you are interested
speak up... else shut the **** up. No advice was asked for... no
****ing was done ... don't agree with it.... well ...like you
said... ignore. .. if you don't want them... don't download them.

pretty simple huh?

Hey, if there is enough interest in the gang, let's go knock over that
store on the corner. Pretty simple, even for a dumb **** like you. You
post, you get. I'm in the neighborhood, you're in the neighborhood; I see
sumtin', I comment, maybe. Simple?

On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 11:59:24 -0800, David
wrote:

You won't mind then if a copy of this and your email address [assuming
it is correct] is forwarded to Shopnotes for their opinion? Or,
perhaps you could write them yourself for their permission just as a
matter of common courtesy, and *then* tell everyone to stuff it.

You're the type of asshole who reports his neighbor for watering on the wrong
days. The world would be a nicer place with fewer pricks like you.

You got is backwards asshole. I don't steal from my neighbours, and
that makes the world a better place.

On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 17:38:29 -0500, "doc44"
wrote:

I don't think it is such a big deal.

Then write to them and ask permission. Is that so difficult?

The message that I just sent to August Home



I subscribe to both Shopnotes and Woodsmith. I have collected all of the
issues except 8 of the Shopnotes. The eight that I am missing are no longer
available on your website. My question is would it be a permitted by your
company for someone to make a PDF of these 8, or would it be a copyright
infringement.



"Guess who" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 17:38:29 -0500, "doc44"
wrote:

I don't think it is such a big deal.

Then write to them and ask permission. Is that so difficult?

On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 21:00:46 -0500, "doc44"
wrote:

The message that I just sent to August Home



I subscribe to both Shopnotes and Woodsmith. I have collected all of the
issues except 8 of the Shopnotes. The eight that I am missing are no longer
available on your website. My question is would it be a permitted by your
company for someone to make a PDF of these 8, or would it be a copyright
infringement.


Damn. That is impressive. BTW, as one of the "copyright brownshirts" here
(Springtime for Hitler's IP police and all), though I have doubts that it
fits under "fair use", I did/do say that if something is out of print and
someone wants to provide _you_ a copy, IMO that is not a biggie. My
comment above was against the file being posted to a website/NG -- which
would undercut the benefit of the copyright holder ever bringing back
authorized copies. But, regardless, kudos to you. -- Igor

On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 09:58:08 -0500, Guess who
wrote:

On 17 Feb 2005 07:16:16 -0600, K_Line wrote:

I don't recall asking for your advice or permission. Yes you can go to
the local library and read them for free or you can download them and
promise to delete the files when you are done. I will post them to
one of the alt binaries groups in the next few days.

You won't mind then if a copy of this and your email address [assuming
it is correct] is forwarded to Shopnotes for their opinion? Or,
perhaps you could write them yourself for their permission just as a
matter of common courtesy, and *then* tell everyone to stuff it.



send what ever you want anywhere you want ...
I require no permission from anyone
How is the weather in Toronto by the way?


X-Complaints-To:

what website are you talking about...??? this is usenet
FWIW ..I don't give a rats ass about any of the following so save your
sermon for somebody that cares. Like I said... don't want them.. don't
download them. It don't get any simpler than that

On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 16:50:27 GMT, "Vic Baron"
wrote:

FWIW, it is illegal to make a copy of copyrighted material without express
permission - period. It is also illegal to distribute same for profit or for
free via ANY medium.

That said, do a lot of people do it - yes. Do the copyright holders care -
generally not unless there's a flagrant violation AND someone turns you in.

Chances are, with a company the size of Shopnotes publisher posting on a
website of newsgroup might result in a letter from an attorney and it might
not.

"You pays yer money and you takes yer choice"



"K_Line" wrote in message
.. .
I don't recall asking for your advice or permission. Yes you can go to
the local library and read them for free or you can download them and
promise to delete the files when you are done. I will post them to
one of the alt binaries groups in the next few days.

On 16 Feb 2005 10:23:01 -0800, wrote:


I prob have those..but they are not for sale. They have been scanned
and converted to pdf format. If there is enough interest I can post
them in one of the binary groups. Oh.. there are several years worth
of them.

While, I'm not a copyright lawyer, but someone who values
the right of the author, I'd advise you NOT do this. August Home
Publishing can help out this individual by seling back copies.

I doubt the local library has them, so I can sympathize that these
issues may cost some dough. He probably can visit the local
Woodcraft and see if they have them - mine does. So he can
save on shipping.

Just my $.02 for today.

MJ Wallace

On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 12:18:05 -0800, David
wrote:

On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 14:15:22 -0500, "doc44" wrote:

Per my last reply.

I have been trying to buy them on ebay. I usually end
up with four or five others in the lot to get one that I want.

PDF is better.
I have printed out many articles, even the entire magazine from mine.
When I'm done I toss it in the garbage. My PDF version stays pristine.
You can also printout the PDFs MUCH larger than the magazine.
Helps with reading those little measurements.

I'm presently doing my own PDFs of the first 5 years of WOOD magazine.



I wouldn't mind seeing those posted.