On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 18:45:31 GMT, Joe C. wrote:
I thought there was no cabal???

Right. There is no cabal. And anyway, I know you're not part of it, because
I never see you at the meetings. That we don't have.

JT notes:

Thu, Feb 3, 2005, 9:03am (EST+5) otforme
(Charlie=A0Self) asks:
Next week, you start wearing them out of the house?

I have mostly been wearing them out of the house all along.
However, I just recently started zipping up my fly.

Ah. Age is catching up when you leave the trolling motor in the boathouse.

Charlie Self
"I think we agree, the past is over." George W. Bush

guilty

On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 18:10:53 GMT, Cothian wrote:


Who would be left?

Me. I'm too young to be a Yahoo. :-)

On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 12:42:02 -0500, (J T)
wrote:


Aw, isn't that sweet, you noticed.

It was *hard* not to notice. :-)

On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 12:40:42 -0500, (J T)
wrote:

However, I just recently started zipping up my fly.

I guess all that tripping over yourself made zipping up a necessity.
:-)

In article ,
Cothian wrote:
Tom Watson wrote in
:

On 2 Feb 2005 15:13:21 -0800, "Geoff" wrote:

I'd like to keep this group from looking like a Yahoo message group. If
you've got something off-topic, go to the appropriate group.


First you have to get rid of all the yahoos.



tjwatson1ATcomcastDOTnet (real email)
http://home.comcast.net/~tjwatson1 (webpage)

Who would be left?

Gulliver? *grin*

On 03 Feb 2005 09:03:29 GMT, otforme (Charlie Self)
wrote:

JT responds:

Thu, Feb 3, 2005, 1:26am (EST+5) (Edwin=A0Pawlowski)
maligns me with:
snip Most of the people here are decent people (I'm not sure about
JOAT though, snip

I'll have you know I'm decent too. I've been wearing my pants in
the house again for several weeks now.


Next week, you start wearing them out of the house?

I'm not sure that they let him out of the home. ;-)


Charlie Self
"They want the federal government controlling Social Security like it's some
kind of federal program." George W. Bush, St. Charles, Missouri, November 2,
2000



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You weren't there either?
Tom
Maker of Fine Sawdust and Thin Shavings

"Dave Hinz" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 18:45:31 GMT, Joe C.
wrote:
I thought there was no cabal???

Right. There is no cabal. And anyway, I know you're not part of it,
because
I never see you at the meetings. That we don't have.

On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 11:19:12 -0600, Dave Balderstone
wrote:

In article , Renata
wrote:

Red or white? Or rosé? Only then can we narrow it down to a specific
grape, I mean gripe.

Reminds me of when Gretsky was traded from the Oilers to the Kings and
a new drink "The Gretsky" was all the range in L.A.

White whine on ice...

As a hockey fan, that put a grin on my face :-)

R

On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 23:12:52 -0500, Thomas Bunetta wrote:
You weren't there either?

Yup. You're not the guy who wasn't not didn't bring in not the case
of really good beer, wrong?

On 4 Feb 2005 16:41:49 GMT, Dave Hinz wrote:

On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 23:12:52 -0500, Thomas Bunetta wrote:
You weren't there either?

Yup. You're not the guy who wasn't not didn't bring in not the case
of really good beer, wrong?

My brain hurts.

Tim Douglass

http://www.DouglassClan.com

On Thu, 3 Feb 2005 12:45:37 -0500, (J T) wrote:

Thu, Feb 3, 2005, 8:59am (EST-3)
(mac*davis) says:
that's a good step, bro...
but you have to change them once in a while, too.. *g*

They are changed on a regular basis. Every time I change my
underware.



JOAT
Intellectual brilliance is no guarantee against being dead wrong.
- David Fasold

damn good plan!!




mac

Please remove splinters before emailing

On 3 Feb 2005 17:00:23 GMT, Dave Hinz wrote:

On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 08:58:13 -0800, mac davis wrote:
On 2 Feb 2005 15:13:21 -0800, "Geoff" wrote:

I'd like to keep this group from looking like a Yahoo message group. If
you've got something off-topic, go to the appropriate group.

Geoff... please stop these OT posts

Mac, please stop these OT posts while pretending to be the management.

The Cabal.

but... but...
I thought I WAS the management...

oh.. I forgot... I'm retired management... sorry.. *g*



mac

Please remove splinters before emailing

On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 18:45:31 GMT, "Joe C."
wrote:

I thought there was no cabal???


there must be... my modem is working... *groan*


"Dave Hinz" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 08:58:13 -0800, mac davis
wrote:
On 2 Feb 2005 15:13:21 -0800, "Geoff" wrote:

I'd like to keep this group from looking like a Yahoo message group. If
you've got something off-topic, go to the appropriate group.

Geoff... please stop these OT posts

Mac, please stop these OT posts while pretending to be the management.

The Cabal.




mac

Please remove splinters before emailing

On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 11:31:00 -0800, mac davis wrote:
On 3 Feb 2005 17:00:23 GMT, Dave Hinz wrote:

On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 08:58:13 -0800, mac davis wrote:
On 2 Feb 2005 15:13:21 -0800, "Geoff" wrote:

I'd like to keep this group from looking like a Yahoo message group. If
you've got something off-topic, go to the appropriate group.

Geoff... please stop these OT posts

Mac, please stop these OT posts while pretending to be the management.
The Cabal.

but... but...
I thought I WAS the management...
oh.. I forgot... I'm retired management... sorry.. *g*

It's OK Mac, we like ya anyways.

"hylourgos" wrote in message
oups.com...
Sorry Toller, but the site you reference uses bad logic. The author
first asserts that the word tektón *can* refer to a carpenter
(woodworking), but that it can also mean a builder in general, such as
of stone. He goes on to imply that his counting of stone and other
(than wood) building terms and passages, since they exceed "wood" terms
and passages in number (and I'm pretty sure he's wrong on the
counting), buttresses his argument that tektón doesn't mean carpenter
in the NT passage in question. He takes an odd stance--I can't for the
life of me figure out why he fashions this a "theological" question.
What, are there a bunch of "Carpenters for Jesus" cultists out there
asserting that Jesus used only Makita?

Anyway, contrary to his assertions:

1. tektón not merely "can" refer to a carpenter, that's its primary
meaning. All other trades it can refer to are its secondary meanings.
Look it up in any reputable Greek dictionary (Liddel Scott and Jones
for Classical; Bauer Gingrich and Danker for NT, maybe even Kittel).

2. He asserts that the word "wood" is used only 4 times in the NT.
Pehaps. But look at the latitude he gives himself for stone and other
trades. A fair comparison would (npi) also look up tree, joinery, the
verb form of tektón, and so on.

3. His statement, "The tradition that Jesus was a carpenter is clearly
not supported by the Bible, but grew in an early Church dominated by
Greek thought" is untenable. Since teknón is used in the Bible, and
its meaning is primarily of woodworking, then the tradition that Jesus
was a carpenter is clearly Biblical in origin. Perhaps it's not true,
but Mark, apparently, thought so. And while the early church did, as it
spread across the Hellenistic East, become influenced by Greek thought,
the *Biblical* church (the earliest adherents during Jesus' lifetime)
seem relatively uninfluenced, save perhaps Luke, and snippets of Paul
as he encounters Greek thought. Even then you could hardly accuse them
of being classically trained. More to the point, so what? Does the
author think the Greeks had some axe to grind against carpentry (they
did not) and somehow passed that on to the Hebrews? As if.

4. He continues with, "What better irony that a carpenter who had spent
most of his life lovingly fashioning wood should die on a wooden cross?
It's a pity that irony is a Greek dramatic device...". True, some
Greeks loved irony and paradox: but if you think there's no irony in
the Hebrew tradition, then you've never read the Bible. I think
immediately of Elijah and the priest of Baal, of Job and his "friends",
even ipse in many passages.

Now, does any of this prove that Jesus was a carpenter? No. Given the
texts, it is at the least more probable that some NT writers thought he
was, but it's not impossible that he was some other type of builder.
Perhaps one more thing we can deduce, a not insignificant thing, is
that the very question was not of much interest to the writers of the
NT.

H.