In an attempt to expand my tool collection, I just purchased a
228-piece drill & screwdriver bit set. The set came with no information
on the bits, so, being a novice, I have plenty of questions:

=B7 In addition to standard wood and masonry drill bits, the set
included "H.S.S." drill bits with both Titanium coating and bits with
black oxide coating. When would I use these over the standard bits, and
when would I use one over the other? And what does "H.S.S." stand for?

=B7 The set includes three plastic "screw finders." How are these used?

=B7 The set includes both a "Quick Changer" and a "Bit Holder" which
appear to do the same job, allowing you to pop bits in without dealing
with the chuck. Is there a difference between the two?

=B7 And for Pete's sake, it takes an act of God to get any of the
pieces in or out of their molded plastic slot in the case. Is there a
trick to removing/replacing them?

Many thanks.

-Fleemo

wrote:
In an attempt to expand my tool collection, I just purchased a
228-piece drill & screwdriver bit set. The set came with no information
on the bits, so, being a novice, I have plenty of questions:

· In addition to standard wood and masonry drill bits, the set
included "H.S.S." drill bits with both Titanium coating and bits with
black oxide coating. When would I use these over the standard bits, and
when would I use one over the other? And what does "H.S.S." stand for?

· The set includes three plastic "screw finders." How are these used?

· The set includes both a "Quick Changer" and a "Bit Holder" which
appear to do the same job, allowing you to pop bits in without dealing
with the chuck. Is there a difference between the two?

· And for Pete's sake, it takes an act of God to get any of the
pieces in or out of their molded plastic slot in the case. Is there a
trick to removing/replacing them?

Many thanks.

-Fleemo


HSS is high strength steel and is used for drilling in steel and
other metals. You can use these in wood also, but you can't use
wood bits in steel. I can"t tell much difference between the
titanium and the black oxide bits.

Screw finders are used to drive screws in that the sliding sleeve
will hold the driver on the screw while starting it or removing it.
The sleeve slides over the screw and the bit can't slip sideways
off the screw (although it can still slip out of the slot). It is
just for making it easier to drive screws or remove them in some
instances.

A quick changer usually has a bit driver that slips over a drill
bit. This is especially useful when you need to predrill holes for
screws. You predrill the hole with the drill bit, then slide the
driver part over the drill bit and drive in the screw. Remove the
bit driver and repeat for the next screw.

Robert Allison

Robert, thanks for the quick reply!

Thanks for the explanation on the HSS bits and the screw finders. Very
interesting.

I don't think this particular quick changer is the same as what you're
thinking of. It isn't something that can slip over a drill bit. Like
the bit holder, it's basically consists of a female slot for the bit to
sit in and a male shank that goes into the drill's chuck. It functions
the same as the bit holder, but I don't know why they'd include both.
Thanks for your help.

-Fleemo

HSS stands for high speed steel. It retains its strength at high
temperatures such as drilling metal and machining metal in a lath.

--

"Robert Allison" wrote in message
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wrote:
In an attempt to expand my tool collection, I just purchased a
228-piece drill & screwdriver bit set. The set came with no information
on the bits, so, being a novice, I have plenty of questions:

· In addition to standard wood and masonry drill bits, the set
included "H.S.S." drill bits with both Titanium coating and bits with
black oxide coating. When would I use these over the standard bits, and
when would I use one over the other? And what does "H.S.S." stand for?

· The set includes three plastic "screw finders." How are these used?

· The set includes both a "Quick Changer" and a "Bit Holder" which
appear to do the same job, allowing you to pop bits in without dealing
with the chuck. Is there a difference between the two?

· And for Pete's sake, it takes an act of God to get any of the
pieces in or out of their molded plastic slot in the case. Is there a
trick to removing/replacing them?

Many thanks.

-Fleemo


HSS is high strength steel and is used for drilling in steel and
other metals. You can use these in wood also, but you can't use
wood bits in steel. I can"t tell much difference between the
titanium and the black oxide bits.

Screw finders are used to drive screws in that the sliding sleeve
will hold the driver on the screw while starting it or removing it.
The sleeve slides over the screw and the bit can't slip sideways
off the screw (although it can still slip out of the slot). It is
just for making it easier to drive screws or remove them in some
instances.

A quick changer usually has a bit driver that slips over a drill
bit. This is especially useful when you need to predrill holes for
screws. You predrill the hole with the drill bit, then slide the
driver part over the drill bit and drive in the screw. Remove the
bit driver and repeat for the next screw.

Robert Allison

The titanium nitride coated bits really excel when drilling titanium and
inconel.

wrote in message
oups.com...
In an attempt to expand my tool collection, I just purchased a
228-piece drill & screwdriver bit set. The set came with no information
on the bits, so, being a novice, I have plenty of questions:

· In addition to standard wood and masonry drill bits, the set
included "H.S.S." drill bits with both Titanium coating and bits with
black oxide coating. When would I use these over the standard bits, and
when would I use one over the other? And what does "H.S.S." stand for?

· The set includes three plastic "screw finders." How are these used?

· The set includes both a "Quick Changer" and a "Bit Holder" which
appear to do the same job, allowing you to pop bits in without dealing
with the chuck. Is there a difference between the two?

· And for Pete's sake, it takes an act of God to get any of the
pieces in or out of their molded plastic slot in the case. Is there a
trick to removing/replacing them?

Many thanks.

-Fleemo

On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 22:54:54 GMT, Robert Allison
wrote:

HSS is high strength steel and is used for drilling in steel and
other metals.

High _Speed_ Steel.

Originally developed for lathe tools, it's a hardenable tool steel
that remains hard at high temperatures. Older steels would lose their
temper if overheated. It also has some minor advantages for toughness.
Just about the only difference you'll notice is that it's slightly
easy to sharpen, because there's less risk of overheating

All reasonable quality twist drill bits are made from HSS (plain
"carbon steel" is someone trying to sell you junk).


TiN (the golden coating) is vaguely useful for steel or abrasive
materials, but not hugely so. It really only makes a difference if you
are drilling stainless steel with good quality drill bits.


I'd suggest a set like this, because it's cheap and it gives you good
coverage of all the sizes. If you work metal as well, you'll find you
do most of your drilling with a very few sizes - some of these are
"odd" sizes, used as tapping drills for a threaded hole. Here it's
also worth buying a few ten-packs of _good_ quality black HSS drills
(Dormer, Presto brand etc.), especially in those fragile sizes under
5mm.

Other good drills to have are a set of "brad point" drills. These are
for drilling wood, _not_ metal, and have spurs at the edge to cut the
wood fibres. You'll get a better surface and edge to holes drilled in
fibrous softwoods. They can't be re-sharpened as brad points, but they
can be re-sharpened as twist drills for general use.


Drills can't be sharpened. They can, but it needs a jig which costs
more than a lot of extra drills. It's really not cost effective for
almost anyone.
--
Smert' spamionam

wrote:


· The set includes both a "Quick Changer" and a "Bit Holder" which
appear to do the same job, allowing you to pop bits in without dealing
with the chuck. Is there a difference between the two?

There are two different types of hex-shank screwdriver bits. One type, the
"power drive" bit, has a groove in its shank that locks into a chuck. The
chuck works by pulling its outer sleeve forward to relaese. This may be
what your "quick changer" is. The other type of bit, the "insert bit", has
no groove and is usually very short. Insert bits are used with magnetic bit
holders.

There's a picture of a power drive bit at
http://www.coopertools.com/catalog1/bits_detail.cfm?cat1=CA&cat2=TL&cat3=BIT&type=Phil lips&desc=1/4%20in%20Hex%20Power%20Drive%20Bit&model=4910X
and an insert bit at
http://www.coopertools.com/catalog1/bits_detail.cfm?cat1=CA&cat2=TL&cat3=BIT&type=Phil lips&desc=1/4%20in%20Hex%20Insert%20Bit&model=440-1X.


--
-- Steve

Thanks everyone, for your help with this. I'm still curious, though,
what the black oxide drill bits are intended for.

And Steve, you solved the mystery. Thanks for clearing that up. The
photos really helped too.

-Fleemo

"Andy Dingley" wrote in message
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TiN (the golden coating) is vaguely useful for steel or abrasive
materials, but not hugely so. It really only makes a difference if you
are drilling stainless steel with good quality drill bits.



TiN coating is basicly for production environments where the down time for
bit changes is a big factor. For home use it is seldom an issue.



Drills can't be sharpened. They can, but it needs a jig which costs
more than a lot of extra drills. It's really not cost effective for
almost anyone.

I disagree here. I often sharpen twist drills by eye with nothing more than
a fine stone on a bench grinder. The trick here is to understand the
geometry of the cutting angles etc. Keep some of the ones you would
otherwise toss and compare them to a sharp drill. Things to keep in mind
are keeping each cutting edge even and getting the relief correct. A
jewelers loupe helps.

As far as bead points go you can get more mileage out of them also, a
careful stroke with a thin diamond file will restore a dulled edge.

--

Roger Shoaf

About the time I had mastered getting the toothpaste back in the tube, then
they come up with this striped stuff.

wrote in message
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Thanks everyone, for your help with this. I'm still curious, though,
what the black oxide drill bits are intended for.


The black oxide coating is kind of like Teflon in a frying pan or chrome on
your bumper. It is like Teflon in that it allows the metal being drilled to
slide rather than stick allowing the built up heat to be carried away in the
chip rather than stay in the bit. It also helps resist corrosion better
than plain steel.

--

Roger Shoaf

About the time I had mastered getting the toothpaste back in the tube, then
they come up with this striped stuff.

"Roger Shoaf" wrote in message

Drills can't be sharpened. They can, but it needs a jig which costs
more than a lot of extra drills. It's really not cost effective for
almost anyone.

I disagree here. I often sharpen twist drills by eye with nothing more
than
a fine stone on a bench grinder. The trick here is to understand the
geometry of the cutting angles etc. Keep some of the ones you would
otherwise toss and compare them to a sharp drill. Things to keep in mind
are keeping each cutting edge even and getting the relief correct. A
jewelers loupe helps.

I don't doubt that you can. You are probably 1 out of 50, or 100 or even
500 that can. The rest of us don't have the right grinder, let alone the
right technique to do it. In the past year I probably spent $5 on twist
drills. It would take me 20 years to justify a Drill Doctor.

"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote in message
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"Roger Shoaf" wrote in message

Drills can't be sharpened. They can, but it needs a jig which costs
more than a lot of extra drills. It's really not cost effective for
almost anyone.

I disagree here. I often sharpen twist drills by eye with nothing more
than
a fine stone on a bench grinder. The trick here is to understand the
geometry of the cutting angles etc. Keep some of the ones you would
otherwise toss and compare them to a sharp drill. Things to keep in
mind
are keeping each cutting edge even and getting the relief correct. A
jewelers loupe helps.

I don't doubt that you can. You are probably 1 out of 50, or 100 or even
500 that can. The rest of us don't have the right grinder, let alone the
right technique to do it. In the past year I probably spent $5 on twist
drills. It would take me 20 years to justify a Drill Doctor.



I sharpen my own also, so I think we're up to 2 out of 50 or 100. But... I
generally sharpen them in the interest of time, not in the interest of
savings. If I break a bit, it's easier and faster to hit it on the grinder
or the belt sander than it is to run to the store for a new one. Sometimes
I have to question the "faster" part - there are those times when it seems I
get every angle wrong and it takes a few passes. What has surprised me in
the past is how dull some otherwise good drill bits were right out of the
box. A quick hit and they cut like a hot knife through butter, but out of
the box they smoked more than they cut. And I'll take your point one step
further Edwin - I don't believe one *can* justify the cost of a Drill
Doctor.
--

-Mike-

wrote:
Robert, thanks for the quick reply!

Thanks for the explanation on the HSS bits and the screw finders. Very
interesting.

I don't think this particular quick changer is the same as what you're
thinking of. It isn't something that can slip over a drill bit. Like
the bit holder, it's basically consists of a female slot for the bit to
sit in and a male shank that goes into the drill's chuck. It functions
the same as the bit holder, but I don't know why they'd include both.
Thanks for your help.

-Fleemo


Your welcome. And the other responders are correct, it is high
SPEED steel. I get that confused all the time.

And another poster accurately described the quick changer as a bit
holder. Here is an example:

http://www.wurthusa.com/en/catalog/p...th=08.0150.jpg

The quick changer that I was talking about is actually a drill bit
holder with a sleeve that fits over it that holds a driver. You
pull off the driver sleeve which exposes the drill bit. You
predrill your hole, slip the driver sleeve over the drill bit and
drive in your screw. I went and looked at mine, but the label has
long since worn off and I can't remember the proper name for it.

(By the way, it is right in the tool box next to the quick changer
which I never use.)

Good luck with your set. The other poster who advised getting a
bunch of the drill bit sizes that you use often is right on.

--
Robert Allison
Rimshot, Inc.
Georgetown, TX

Hey Robert,

The quick changer that you're referring to sounds like the perfect
solution to the tedious switching out of drill bits and driver bits.
I'd love to get my hands on one, if you or someone else can remember
what it's called.

-Fleemo

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Hey Robert,

The quick changer that you're referring to sounds like the perfect
solution to the tedious switching out of drill bits and driver bits.
I'd love to get my hands on one, if you or someone else can remember
what it's called.

-Fleemo


I just bought a Bosch, but others are available. It is simply a Quick
Change Chuck.

http://www.7corners.com/7c_store/fin...2035859961&cat

Oh, thanks Edwin, I get it now! The drill bits have hex shanks just
like the driver bits so they fit the quick change chuck. Unfortunately,
none of the 150 drill bits that came in the kit have the hex shank. I
don't suppose they make a hex adapter so standard round-shank drill
bits could pop into a quick change chuck?

-Fleemo

wrote in message
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Oh, thanks Edwin, I get it now! The drill bits have hex shanks just
like the driver bits so they fit the quick change chuck. Unfortunately,
none of the 150 drill bits that came in the kit have the hex shank. I
don't suppose they make a hex adapter so standard round-shank drill
bits could pop into a quick change chuck?

-Fleemo


Some sizes.
http://www.7corners.com/7c_store/sho...TID=-738110057. I have a couple of hex type drills with countersink, but they do not havethe groove at the end to hold securely in the chuck. They go in OK, butwill slip out of the chuck when you pull it out of the hole you justdrilled. I've only had my quick change bit about a month and I do like it for somework. When drilling a pilot hole, then driving a screw, and back again, itis very handy.

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
wrote in message
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Hey Robert,

The quick changer that you're referring to sounds like the perfect
solution to the tedious switching out of drill bits and driver bits.
I'd love to get my hands on one, if you or someone else can remember
what it's called.

-Fleemo



I just bought a Bosch, but others are available. It is simply a Quick
Change Chuck.

http://www.7corners.com/7c_store/fin...2035859961&cat



That is not the kind that I have. The drill bit is always on the
chuck. The driver sleeve fits over it to drive the screw and then
back off to predrill.

I will see if I can find it on the net.

--
Robert Allison
Rimshot, Inc.
Georgetown, TX

For all those that were interested, I have found a driver like I was
talking about. It is not exactly like mine, but it works the same way.

http://www.rockler.com/ecom7/product_details.cfm?&cookietest=1&&sku=10607&objec tgroup_id=226&catid=54


--
Robert Allison
Rimshot, Inc.
Georgetown, TX

Thanks for the link Robert.

So my question is whether I can use my dozens and dozens of drill bits
with a setup like that, slipping the drill bits into a hex shank
adapter, or whether I have to buy special drill bits that come with the
hex shank built into them?

-Fleemo

wrote:
Thanks for the link Robert.

So my question is whether I can use my dozens and dozens of drill bits
with a setup like that, slipping the drill bits into a hex shank
adapter, or whether I have to buy special drill bits that come with the
hex shank built into them?

-Fleemo


Well, I don't know about the one in the link, mine is different. On
mine, you can loosen an allen screw and replace the drill bit with
another of the same size and length (there is a bit of tolerance on
the length).

--
Robert Allison
Rimshot, Inc.
Georgetown, TX