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Pawn shop inflation
Last year I got a Record Bailey 3 from a pawn shop in the nearest city.
Paid R50 ($7.5) for it. The assistant asked why I wanted an obsolete piece of junk. "everybody uses power these days". replied that it was still an extremely usefull tool and a lot still use them. Went in on Friday, they had a Stanley handyman 12-020 and a Bohmer (sp). They wanted R500 ($75) for them. 900% in a year? Bet they stay there for a long time. Can buy a new Stanley Handyman here for about R250 There must be some serious suckers out there -- Phillip Hansen Skil-Phil Solutions |
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Phil Hansen wrote in
: Last year I got a Record Bailey 3 from a pawn shop in the nearest city. Paid R50 ($7.5) for it. The assistant asked why I wanted an obsolete piece of junk. "everybody uses power these days". replied that it was still an extremely usefull tool and a lot still use them. Went in on Friday, they had a Stanley handyman 12-020 and a Bohmer (sp). They wanted R500 ($75) for them. 900% in a year? Bet they stay there for a long time. Can buy a new Stanley Handyman here for about R250 There must be some serious suckers out there There's a Stanley Handyman on my tools shelf, but only for sentimental reasons. It's the first handplane I swiped from my father's toolbox. Well sharpened, it's OK for softwoods, if accuracy isn't too much of a requirement. There's a whole PhD dissertation to be written on the psycho-economics of pawn shop pricing, but not this morning. I'm exhausted from reading Keeter's Shop Snippets... Patriarch, who's certain that one is born every minute... |
I have seen used tools at pawn shop priced higher than the same model at the
BORG. It is certainly not the first place I would look for a bargain. |
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"Greg" wrote in message ... I have seen used tools at pawn shop priced higher than the same model at the BORG. It is certainly not the first place I would look for a bargain. True, Very true, but every so often you find nearly new tools for a good price, like a PC 352VS, 3x21" belt sander, for $30, a PC693LRPK, router kit, standard base and plunge baser, for $125. Sure not a great deal, but it was like new, and included about $100 in carbide bits. A Crapsman 16ga brad nailer for $25, likw new, and a PC7538 router for $125, also like new. I have bought some other good finds also. I still make my pawn shop run every month, rarely buy any thing, but it keeps me out of the bars! Once in a while I find something I want and they have a rediculous price on it. I come back once a week or so, drop it on their counter and offer them $XX for it. I do it untill the item is gone or 'till I get my price. Greg |
Greg O wrote:
"Greg" wrote in message ... I have seen used tools at pawn shop priced higher than the same model at the BORG. It is certainly not the first place I would look for a bargain. True, Very true, but every so often you find nearly new tools for a good price, like a PC 352VS, 3x21" belt sander, for $30, a PC693LRPK, router kit, standard base and plunge baser, for $125. Sure not a great deal, but it was like new, and included about $100 in carbide bits. A Crapsman 16ga brad nailer for $25, likw new, and a PC7538 router for $125, also like new. I have bought some other good finds also. I still make my pawn shop run every month, rarely buy any thing, but it keeps me out of the bars! Once in a while I find something I want and they have a rediculous price on it. I come back once a week or so, drop it on their counter and offer them $XX for it. I do it untill the item is gone or 'till I get my price. Greg I've kind of wondered about this myself... I've seen some stuff there that was good tools, but pretty well used and not so well maintained, if you know what I mean, w/ an almost new price on it. I figured they probably kept the price high as long as possible, hoping someone would pay that for it, and just reduce things when they get tired of looking at them or people wanting to haggle. nuk |
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In article , Phil Hansen
wrote: Last year I got a Record Bailey 3 from a pawn shop in the nearest city. Paid R50 ($7.5) for it. The assistant asked why I wanted an obsolete piece of junk. "everybody uses power these days". replied that it was still an extremely usefull tool and a lot still use them. Went in on Friday, they had a Stanley handyman 12-020 and a Bohmer (sp). They wanted R500 ($75) for them. 900% in a year? Bet they stay there for a long time. Can buy a new Stanley Handyman here for about R250 There must be some serious suckers out there Your post reminded me of a place here in Vancouver that I used to go to many years ago, the guy had a store packed with stuff, he stood at the door beside a sign that said "No Browsing". You told him what you were looking for and if he had it he let you in, otherwise you were told to leave. It was always a challenge to get in just to look around, it really bugged him if you asked the price of something other than what you had told him you were looking for. -- http://doit101.com |
I am from the Detroit area. You would think that the personality you all
are describing would be unique. It is not! Why does it bother them if you browse or if you say your are just looking? Many retail outfits LIVE on that principle. As far as deals. About 30 years ago, I bought a Teac 3340, 4 channel reel to reel tape recorder with 10 1/2 reels for $250 (as I recall, it was worth about $1500). It was like new. In the same pawn shop I saw items (microphones, tools, etc), as you all have pointed out, higher than retail. I would sure like someone in the business to explain this philosophy. It might help to explain some of the same mentality I am seeing in the real estate business now. "Frank Campbell" wrote in message ... In article , Phil Hansen wrote: Last year I got a Record Bailey 3 from a pawn shop in the nearest city. Paid R50 ($7.5) for it. The assistant asked why I wanted an obsolete piece of junk. "everybody uses power these days". replied that it was still an extremely usefull tool and a lot still use them. Went in on Friday, they had a Stanley handyman 12-020 and a Bohmer (sp). They wanted R500 ($75) for them. 900% in a year? Bet they stay there for a long time. Can buy a new Stanley Handyman here for about R250 There must be some serious suckers out there Your post reminded me of a place here in Vancouver that I used to go to many years ago, the guy had a store packed with stuff, he stood at the door beside a sign that said "No Browsing". You told him what you were looking for and if he had it he let you in, otherwise you were told to leave. It was always a challenge to get in just to look around, it really bugged him if you asked the price of something other than what you had told him you were looking for. -- http://doit101.com |
"Eric Anderson" wrote in message ... I am from the Detroit area. You would think that the personality you all are describing would be unique. It is not! Why does it bother them if you browse or if you say your are just looking? Many retail outfits LIVE on that principle. As far as deals. About 30 years ago, I bought a Teac 3340, 4 channel reel to reel tape recorder with 10 1/2 reels for $250 (as I recall, it was worth about $1500). It was like new. In the same pawn shop I saw items (microphones, tools, etc), as you all have pointed out, higher than retail. I would sure like someone in the business to explain this philosophy. It might help to explain some of the same mentality I am seeing in the real estate business now. I am a wood butcher who owns 3 pawnshops and I think I can answer one of your questions. Most pawnbrokers - myself included- are professional dilettantes who have a superficial knowledge in a variety of areas. Some pawnbrokers have genuine expertise in a specific subject but are woefully ignorant in most other areas. When I am on the prowl for tools I always check other pawnshops first. I buy most of my tools from a pawnshop in the next town - the man knows everything about musical instruments and nothing about tools. Sometimes the prices are too high and other times the prices are too low. I will not educate the man about tools - I would be shutting off one of my best sources. Jolly |
"Jolly" wrote:
"Eric Anderson" wrote in message ... I am from the Detroit area. You would think that the personality you all are describing would be unique. It is not! Why does it bother them if you browse or if you say your are just looking? Many retail outfits LIVE on that principle. As far as deals. About 30 years ago, I bought a Teac 3340, 4 channel reel to reel tape recorder with 10 1/2 reels for $250 (as I recall, it was worth about $1500). It was like new. In the same pawn shop I saw items (microphones, tools, etc), as you all have pointed out, higher than retail. I would sure like someone in the business to explain this philosophy. It might help to explain some of the same mentality I am seeing in the real estate business now. I am a wood butcher who owns 3 pawnshops and I think I can answer one of your questions. Most pawnbrokers - myself included- are professional dilettantes who have a superficial knowledge in a variety of areas. Some pawnbrokers have genuine expertise in a specific subject but are woefully ignorant in most other areas. When I am on the prowl for tools I always check other pawnshops first. I buy most of my tools from a pawnshop in the next town - the man knows everything about musical instruments and nothing about tools. Sometimes the prices are too high and other times the prices are too low. I will not educate the man about tools - I would be shutting off one of my best sources. Jolly I have a friend who claims the health of the economy can be measured by the quantity of Snap On tools in pawn shops. |
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Eric Anderson wrote: I am from the Detroit area. You would think that the personality you all are describing would be unique. It is not! Why does it bother them if you browse or if you say your are just looking? Many retail outfits LIVE on that principle. As far as deals. About 30 years ago, I bought a Teac 3340, 4 channel reel to reel tape recorder with 10 1/2 reels for $250 (as I recall, it was worth about $1500). It was like new. In the same pawn shop I saw items (microphones, tools, etc), as you all have pointed out, higher than retail. I would sure like someone in the business to explain this philosophy. It might help to explain some of the same mentality I am seeing in the real estate business now. I'm not in that business, but the explanation _is_ fairly simple. The 'secondary' re-sellers price based on 'what they know' about the marketplace. If it is a piece they are familiar with, for which there is a 'mass market', they will sell at a 'significant' portion of list price, and offer to pay 'less than that', when buying, of course. With stuff that they are _not_ familiar with -- high-end, 'pro', stuff, for example, they don't have any real idea of the 'worth' of the pieces, *or* _how_long_ it will take them to find a buyer. Thus, they'll only offer to pay a 'pittance' (pennies on the dollar, or less) for the item -- finding _any_ buyer for *that* item is much more of a gamble than with well-known 'consumer' stuff, and price it 'to sell'. They're not interested in maximizing their dollar return, as much as maximizing the turn-over of the inventory. |
In article , nuk wrote:
I've kind of wondered about this myself... I've seen some stuff there that was good tools, but pretty well used and not so well maintained, if you know what I mean, w/ an almost new price on it. You mean the stuff that looks like it's been lifted out of the back of a contractor's truck, by a laborer looking to score his meth for the day? Just the bare tool, no accessories? Dinged, dented, scuffed, and covered in paint/grease/drywall dust? That kind of stuff? Either that, or the cheapest of cheap tools: B&D jigsaws that shouldn't sell for more than $15 at Wal Mart, 9" bandsaws that can be had at discount stores for $40, $30 Skil brand saws, etc. Yeah, that's what I typically see here in the land of SuperChain SuperPawn SuperStores. Always priced at or sometimes above retail. That's what you get when pricing is set by someone browsing catalogs at headquarters. Real mom-'n'-pop style pawn shops occasionally have something of interest. And they're willing to deal, more often than not. Quite unlike the commissioned "pawn specialists" at your typical SuperChainSuperPawnSuperStore. I seek out Mom (or Pop) whenever I go cruffling (a gun term), or tooling. Kevin |
I stop at shops just for fun. I have a few shops that I know have good
prices when they have stuff I want. Others that have lots of tools but not good prices. I have gotten enough good tools at half price or less that looking is worth my time. Of course I never need anything. I have more tools than my Dad ever had and he has been around 80 years. Some fish, some hunt with guns, I hunt for tools and even use some of the tools. Kevin Craig wrote: In article , nuk wrote: I've kind of wondered about this myself... I've seen some stuff there that was good tools, but pretty well used and not so well maintained, if you know what I mean, w/ an almost new price on it. You mean the stuff that looks like it's been lifted out of the back of a contractor's truck, by a laborer looking to score his meth for the day? Just the bare tool, no accessories? Dinged, dented, scuffed, and covered in paint/grease/drywall dust? That kind of stuff? Either that, or the cheapest of cheap tools: B&D jigsaws that shouldn't sell for more than $15 at Wal Mart, 9" bandsaws that can be had at discount stores for $40, $30 Skil brand saws, etc. Yeah, that's what I typically see here in the land of SuperChain SuperPawn SuperStores. Always priced at or sometimes above retail. That's what you get when pricing is set by someone browsing catalogs at headquarters. Real mom-'n'-pop style pawn shops occasionally have something of interest. And they're willing to deal, more often than not. Quite unlike the commissioned "pawn specialists" at your typical SuperChainSuperPawnSuperStore. I seek out Mom (or Pop) whenever I go cruffling (a gun term), or tooling. Kevin |
The type of client who brings things _to_ the shop may not be who you want
in the shop. The same five fingers that lifted what he brings can work on what you've got. Pawnbrokers have to consult some general reference to price items. I imagine it's MSRP on the internet. As to real estate, it's the cost of money, not the cost of the footage that drives the market. "Eric Anderson" wrote in message ... I am from the Detroit area. You would think that the personality you all are describing would be unique. It is not! Why does it bother them if you browse or if you say your are just looking? Many retail outfits LIVE on that principle. As far as deals. About 30 years ago, I bought a Teac 3340, 4 channel reel to reel tape recorder with 10 1/2 reels for $250 (as I recall, it was worth about $1500). It was like new. In the same pawn shop I saw items (microphones, tools, etc), as you all have pointed out, higher than retail. I would sure like someone in the business to explain this philosophy. It might help to explain some of the same mentality I am seeing in the real estate business now. |
"George" george@least wrote in message ... The type of client who brings things _to_ the shop may not be who you want in the shop. The same five fingers that lifted what he brings can work on what you've got. Pawnbrokers have to consult some general reference to price items. I imagine it's MSRP on the internet. One of the clerks in the pawn shop I frequent compares the cost that is marked on an item with what he finds on EBay. IMHO if you pay what an item is marked in a pawn shop without asking something like, "how much do you want for this?" or bargaining then you've probably bought a few bridges in the Brooklyn area before. Larry -- Lawrence L'Hote Columbia, MO http://home.mchsi.com/~larrylhote |
One Saturday I decided to visit all the local pawn shops for tools.
It turned out to be a total waste of time, plus emptied a tank of gasoline. The tools I did see and showed interest were worn and 60-80% of new cost. I have a more enjoyable time in my shop, and shop online for new quality tools. No more pawn shops for me! |
On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 13:14:51 -0500, "Greg O"
wrote: "Greg" wrote in message ... I have seen used tools at pawn shop priced higher than the same model at the BORG. It is certainly not the first place I would look for a bargain. True, Very true, but every so often you find nearly new tools for a good price, like a PC 352VS, 3x21" belt sander, for $30, a PC693LRPK, router kit, standard base and plunge baser, for $125. Sure not a great deal, but it was like new, and included about $100 in carbide bits. A Crapsman 16ga brad nailer for $25, likw new, and a PC7538 router for $125, also like new. Sheesh! Last time I checked the pawn shops around here they want 80-90% of brand new price for something that looked like it had been dragged behind a truck for a mile. Nail gun that was 299 at the Borg was 279 at the pawn shop, but the pawn shop one didn't have the case, was dinged all over, splashed with paint and featured a nice dent in the magazine. I've done much better on e*ay. Tim Douglass http://www.DouglassClan.com |
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Frank Campbell wrote in message ...
Your post reminded me of a place here in Vancouver that I used to go to many years ago, the guy had a store packed with stuff, he stood at the door beside a sign that said "No Browsing". You told him what you were looking for and if he had it he let you in, otherwise you were told to leave. It was always a challenge to get in just to look around, it really bugged him if you asked the price of something other than what you had told him you were looking for. There's a used tool store in Cambridge, Ontario where the owner's philosphy isn't much different. The place is stuffed floor to ceiling, and he whines about having five times that much in storage, but if you ask the price on anything, he makes up some story about the price of a new one, and offers it to you at about 20% more than new retail. Last time I was in I asked about a 3/8" air ratchet that looked like it had been dragged in behind a towtruck from the next city. Only $80, as is. Of course, he had a brand new one-ton Ford with every option beside the store, so there must be enough idiots with money to keep him going... |
"Tim Douglass" wrote in message ... On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 13:14:51 -0500, "Greg O" wrote: "Greg" wrote in message ... I have seen used tools at pawn shop priced higher than the same model at the BORG. It is certainly not the first place I would look for a bargain. True, Very true, but every so often you find nearly new tools for a good price, like a PC 352VS, 3x21" belt sander, for $30, a PC693LRPK, router kit, standard base and plunge baser, for $125. Sure not a great deal, but it was like new, and included about $100 in carbide bits. A Crapsman 16ga brad nailer for $25, likw new, and a PC7538 router for $125, also like new. Sheesh! Last time I checked the pawn shops around here they want 80-90% of brand new price for something that looked like it had been dragged behind a truck for a mile. Nail gun that was 299 at the Borg was 279 at the pawn shop, but the pawn shop one didn't have the case, was dinged all over, splashed with paint and featured a nice dent in the magazine. I've done much better on e*ay. Tim Douglass http://www.DouglassClan.com That same pawn shop has another PC7538 router. They are asking $275 for this one, and it is used! It has been sitting there for six months or so. The one I bought they were asking $175, and after three trips they went down to my offer of $125. Right now that router is on Amazon for $319, plus PC has a $50 rebate on purchases over $300, making the out the door price $269 plus tax. I do HVAC work for aliving so a set of AC gauges caught my eye. The tag was marked $175, I offered him $50, several times! The last time there I told him anyone can buy the same exact set new for $125. He still would not budge! As for those who say they would rather spend the time in the shop, often I drag my wife and daughter along on my pawn shop rounds. They buy CDs and video games. So it gets to be a family outing! Greg |
wrote in message om... Frank Campbell wrote in message ... Your post reminded me of a place here in Vancouver that I used to go to many years ago, the guy had a store packed with stuff, he stood at the door beside a sign that said "No Browsing". You told him what you were looking for and if he had it he let you in, otherwise you were told to leave. It was always a challenge to get in just to look around, it really bugged him if you asked the price of something other than what you had told him you were looking for. There's a used tool store in Cambridge, Ontario where the owner's philosphy isn't much different. The place is stuffed floor to ceiling, and he whines about having five times that much in storage, but if you ask the price on anything, he makes up some story about the price of a new one, and offers it to you at about 20% more than new retail. Last time I was in I asked about a 3/8" air ratchet that looked like it had been dragged in behind a towtruck from the next city. Only $80, as is. Of course, he had a brand new one-ton Ford with every option beside the store, so there must be enough idiots with money to keep him going... Same philosophy keeps Ebay going strong! Greg |
Your fault. You told him they were worth something. He believed you. :)
"Phil Hansen" wrote in message ... Last year I got a Record Bailey 3 from a pawn shop in the nearest city. Paid R50 ($7.5) for it. The assistant asked why I wanted an obsolete piece of junk. "everybody uses power these days". replied that it was still an extremely usefull tool and a lot still use them. Went in on Friday, they had a Stanley handyman 12-020 and a Bohmer (sp). They wanted R500 ($75) for them. 900% in a year? Bet they stay there for a long time. Can buy a new Stanley Handyman here for about R250 There must be some serious suckers out there -- Phillip Hansen Skil-Phil Solutions |
On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 14:53:00 GMT, Phisherman wrote:
One Saturday I decided to visit all the local pawn shops for tools. It turned out to be a total waste of time, plus emptied a tank of gasoline. The tools I did see and showed interest were worn and 60-80% of new cost. I have a more enjoyable time in my shop, and shop online for new quality tools. No more pawn shops for me! Same experience here. Never have found anything in a pawn shop that was even close to a bargain. |
On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 05:32:38 +0200, Phil Hansen calmly
ranted: In article , says... Sun, Oct 17, 2004, 6:36pm (EDT+6) (Phil=A0Hansen) burbled: I have repented and erected a shrine in the shape of a plane in the front yard. I hope the Gods forgive me. (with your connections please put in a good word for me) Ha, fat chance. A shrine. They don' wan' no steenkin' shrine. You're just trying to get out of sending a small sacrifice for them. That ****es them off even more. That's why they made me their High Priest, to handle administrative duties for them, like sacrificies. Sheesh. Heathen. Maiden on her way to you. All charges prepaid G No, no, no. You're supposed to send the virginal maiden to me. Send JOAT the middle finger off your left hand. He'll give the finger to the WW gods. Er, so to speak. ================================================== ============ Like peace and quiet? Buy a phoneless cord. http://www/diversify.com/stees.html Hilarious T-shirts online ================================================== ============ |
On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 13:28:55 GMT, "Lawrence L'Hote"
wrote: "George" george@least wrote in message ... The type of client who brings things _to_ the shop may not be who you want in the shop. The same five fingers that lifted what he brings can work on what you've got. Pawnbrokers have to consult some general reference to price items. I imagine it's MSRP on the internet. One of the clerks in the pawn shop I frequent compares the cost that is marked on an item with what he finds on EBay. IMHO if you pay what an item is marked in a pawn shop without asking something like, "how much do you want for this?" or bargaining then you've probably bought a few bridges in the Brooklyn area before. Larry Thing is, they mark the price so high, that one doesn't even feel that trying to bargain to a reasonable price is worth the effort. i.e., that policy can work against them. |
In article ,
says... Mon, Oct 18, 2004, 5:32am (EDT+6) (Phil=A0Hansen) claims: Maiden on her way to you. All charges prepaid G From Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913) (web1913) Maiden \Maid"en\, a. 1. Of or pertaining to a maiden, or to maidens; suitable to, or characteristic of, a virgin; as, maiden innocence. 2. Never having been married; not having had sexual intercourse; virgin; -- said usually of the woman, but sometimes of the man; as, a maiden aunt. 3. A woman so ugly none will have anything to do with her. JOAT Flush the Johns. - seen on a bumper sticker You got #2 the maiden aunt :) -- Phillip Hansen Skil-Phil Solutions |
In article , Larry Jaques
says... No, no, no. You're supposed to send the virginal maiden to me. Send JOAT the middle finger off your left hand. He'll give the finger to the WW gods. Er, so to speak. :) -- Phillip Hansen Skil-Phil Solutions |
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On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 19:10:09 -0500, "Greg O"
wrote: As for those who say they would rather spend the time in the shop, often I drag my wife and daughter along on my pawn shop rounds. They buy CDs and video games. So it gets to be a family outing! Greg The CDs, videos and games are about the only really good deal I've found in pawn shops around here. They have so many VHS tapes that you can get just about anything for around 2-3 bucks. Tim Douglass http://www.DouglassClan.com |
Lawrence L'Hote wrote:
marked on an item with what he finds on EBay. IMHO if you pay what an item is marked in a pawn shop without asking something like, "how much do you want for this?" or bargaining then you've probably bought a few bridges in the Brooklyn area before. Yeah, they love it when somebody just pays the sticker price. Around here anyway stuff usually goes for 60% of what's marked. Less than that if you catch them at a time when they'd rather have some money today than see you walk away empty handed. -- Michael McIntyre ---- Silvan Linux fanatic, and certified Geek; registered Linux user #243621 http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Rue/5407/ http://rosegarden.sourceforge.net/tutorial/ |
On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 09:25:14 -0400, (J T)
calmly ranted: Mon, Oct 18, 2004, 8:55pm (EDT-3) (Larry*Jaques) is trying to enter the religion game with: No, no, no. You're supposed to send the virginal maiden to me. Send JOAT the middle finger off your left hand. He'll give the finger to the WW gods. Er, so to speak. OK, we'll compromise. Phil, you send Larry a sheep, and I'll give him the finger. That's no compromise, sir, except of me. (Make it a ewe.) ================================================== ============ Like peace and quiet? Buy a phoneless cord. http://www/diversify.com/stees.html Hilarious T-shirts online ================================================== ============ |
On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 13:35:50 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote: On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 09:25:14 -0400, (J T) calmly ranted: Mon, Oct 18, 2004, 8:55pm (EDT-3) (Larry*Jaques) is trying to enter the religion game with: No, no, no. You're supposed to send the virginal maiden to me. Send JOAT the middle finger off your left hand. He'll give the finger to the WW gods. Er, so to speak. OK, we'll compromise. Phil, you send Larry a sheep, and I'll give him the finger. That's no compromise, sir, except of me. (Make it a ewe.) http://www.ratedtoons.com/flash/Dirty_Deeds.cfm ================================================= ============= Like peace and quiet? Buy a phoneless cord. http://www/diversify.com/stees.html Hilarious T-shirts online ================================================= ============= |
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On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 06:03:46 +0200, Phil Hansen wrote:
In article , says... OK, we'll compromise. Phil, you send Larry a sheep, and I'll give him the finger. No problem. Consider it done. :) 'acourse, it's kinda a long trip for JOAT, going all the way up to Larry's just to finger a sheep.... |
On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 19:55:48 -0700, Mark & Juanita
calmly ranted: On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 13:35:50 -0700, Larry Jaques wrote: On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 09:25:14 -0400, (J T) calmly ranted: Mon, Oct 18, 2004, 8:55pm (EDT-3) (Larry*Jaques) is trying to enter the religion game with: No, no, no. You're supposed to send the virginal maiden to me. Send JOAT the middle finger off your left hand. He'll give the finger to the WW gods. Er, so to speak. OK, we'll compromise. Phil, you send Larry a sheep, and I'll give him the finger. That's no compromise, sir, except of me. (Make it a ewe.) http://www.ratedtoons.com/flash/Dirty_Deeds.cfm Damn. Ewe owe me a new monitor and keyboard, boy. sheepish grinne ================================================== ============ Like peace and quiet? Buy a phoneless cord. http://www/diversify.com/stees.html Hilarious T-shirts online ================================================== ============ |
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